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United Methodist Church affirms homosexuality ‘incompatible with Christian teaching’
LifeSiteNews.com ^ | 05/05/12 | Ben Johnson

Posted on 05/05/2012 3:26:01 PM PDT by fwdude

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To: fwdude
Wow. I would have thought the UMC was a lost cause.

Miracles still happen.

51 posted on 05/05/2012 6:56:13 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: hotshu

I gave up on the UMC with the Elian Gonzalez episode. Obamacare put the final nail in the coffin.

The UMC is lost - except for the African congregations.


52 posted on 05/05/2012 6:58:09 PM PDT by iceskater (I am a Carnivore Conservative - No peas for me. (h/t N.Theknow))
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To: fwdude

Nancy Pelosi must be deeply saddened


53 posted on 05/05/2012 7:03:11 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Chen Guangcheng: Gutsy call, Obama /UltraMegaDrippingSarc)
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To: lightman

You point out that more frequent meetings could be a curse instead of a blessing, and your experience proves your words to be true. Thanks for another view on this.

I’m getting close to retirement age now, and I’ve fought this my entire ministry, so resolving things quickly becomes more important the older I get. Selfish reason, of course: I simply want to be around to see it.

But, you’re right. Best to let things chug along, and I’ll let Jesus fill me in on changes after I leave here to be there.


54 posted on 05/05/2012 7:04:18 PM PDT by xzins (Vote Goode not Evil (the lesser of 2 evils is still evil))
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To: iceskater; Zionist Conspirator

read post #49


55 posted on 05/05/2012 7:06:26 PM PDT by xzins (Vote Goode not Evil (the lesser of 2 evils is still evil))
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To: xzins
3. Trials in our church: FWIW, think of the US system of rights given to defendants in our courts, and you have the Methodist judicial system almost to a T. Now try to convict someone under that system when rules of evidence are virtually the same. A part of me appreciates that protection, because it's the way I would be treated if someone charged me with something, but it also means that those who are vociferous on the streets clam up in the courts. Just a thought: how do you PROVE someone is a homosexual? Unless they're willing to stand proudly and affirm it, then you're looking for videotape that doesn't exist.

What about that minister who admitted she is a lesbian and basically just got a wrist slap? She should have been defrocked. IIRC, she admitted her lesbianism. Yet, AFAIK, she is still a minister in the UMC.

I have struggled for years about whether to leave the UMC or not. I have left. I am now a Baptist. It is amazing to me how little my soul was being fed in the UMC until I found a church that actually believes and practices soul-filling sermons, Sunday Schools, etc. I couldn't tell you the last time I heard my UMC minister actually preach the Gospel from the pulpit. THAT is a sad commentary on the state of affairs in too many UMC congregations around the country. Yet, we hear entirely too much 'social justice' bs. This is the undoing of the UMC.

56 posted on 05/05/2012 7:09:26 PM PDT by iceskater (I am a Carnivore Conservative - No peas for me. (h/t N.Theknow))
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To: iceskater

I have no problem with your leaving, iceskater. Many have made your same decision for similar reasons, and I wish them well.

You realize about the minister with the wrist slap that she was in a liberal conference with a liberal bishop, and that it was inevitable that they’d try to find a way around the teaching of our church.

I’m wracking my brain, but I can’t recall anyplace where we spelled out the penalties, so that boils down to bishop’s discretion. We tried to implement an over-bishop this business meeting, but it was shot down. (I considered it dangerous if the wrong bishop got the job, but the right one and things would hit the fan.)


57 posted on 05/05/2012 7:18:56 PM PDT by xzins (Vote Goode not Evil (the lesser of 2 evils is still evil))
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To: fwdude

while another said humans did not know enough about human sexuality to prefer one lifestyle over another.


Uh, since when?


58 posted on 05/05/2012 7:31:55 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: xzins
This resulted in GROWING regions sending more delegates. Christian churches that GROW are very disproportionately evangelical and not liberal. The result was that votes were taken away from the northeast, the west coast, and the great lakes. More votes were awarded to the south, the southwest, and to the overseas membership in Africa, Asia, and S America.

That was a 'wicked smaht' thing to do!

59 posted on 05/05/2012 7:31:55 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: xzins

Thanks. You and I have conversed several times over the last few years about my leaving the UMC. I appreciate your thoughtful responses. After a couple of years of difficult times (death, divorce, injury, job issues to name a few), I spent a lot of time trying different churches. When I first went to my current church, it was like water on a parched and arid land. So, it was the right decision for me.

I understand that the episode with the lesbian minister was in a more liberal conference. Still....to not remove her from ministry when her behavior admittedly goes against the Book of Discipline makes a sham of the entire Book of Discipline.

Maybe the influence of the African conferences will drag the American UMC back where it ought to be. Or the American UMC will die and the conferences elsewhere in the world will flourish. Time will tell.


60 posted on 05/05/2012 7:36:39 PM PDT by iceskater (I am a Carnivore Conservative - No peas for me. (h/t N.Theknow))
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To: bunkerhill7

......then there’s Wendi and her partner, Maggie and daughters on page 11 in the latest JC Penney mailer.


61 posted on 05/05/2012 7:36:56 PM PDT by cblue55 (Mr. Obama, was your mother punished with a baby?)
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To: fwdude

“...much of the opposition vote was from overseas, mostly Africa, where true Christian understanding hasn’t been sullied like it has here in North America.”

Interesting ... the traditional Episcopal parishes also had to turn to the African conferences when the ECUSA went so off the tracks.


62 posted on 05/05/2012 7:48:04 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: fwdude

Thank God. You could knock me over with a feather


63 posted on 05/05/2012 7:58:40 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: iceskater

I think the African Churches will keep the UMC in line for some time. The only thing that would change that would be for the proportional delegate rule to get tossed out or adjusted somehow. I don’t see any of the evangelical regions being amenable to such a thing.


64 posted on 05/05/2012 8:20:31 PM PDT by xzins (Vote Goode not Evil (the lesser of 2 evils is still evil))
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To: mcswan

yes.


65 posted on 05/05/2012 8:49:36 PM PDT by newnhdad (Where will you be during the Election Riots of 2012/2013?)
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To: xzins
Wow. Quite a surprise, xzins.

I know that historically the Methodist church has been very important and influential in America, with its circuit riders and camp meetings (and its opposition to DEMON RUM!).

66 posted on 05/05/2012 8:52:53 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: lightman

The Missouri synod is still here, and as biblically sound as ever.


67 posted on 05/05/2012 9:14:21 PM PDT by Mom MD (The country needs Obamacare like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask)
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To: PeterPrinciple

Hillary is one of the most prominent public persons listed among the membership of the UMC. That is different, IMO, from being a prominent member.


68 posted on 05/05/2012 9:30:55 PM PDT by Elsiejay
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To: Elsiejay
United Methodist Church affirms homosexuality ‘incompatible with Christian teaching’

I wonder how much input the African and Mexican Methodist bishops had. Still, though, in spite of what's spread around about the UMC, there are still lots of good churches out there that haven't succumbed to the rot. I have heard them ask, "Why should be abandon our church to these people?" referring to the liberal/left.
69 posted on 05/05/2012 9:35:36 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: fwdude
while another said humans did not know enough about human sexuality to prefer one lifestyle over another.

Okay, well, what about God's POV?
70 posted on 05/05/2012 9:37:43 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: fwdude
while another said humans did not know enough about human sexuality to prefer one lifestyle over another.

As someone once said, "God didn't create Adam and Steve."
71 posted on 05/05/2012 9:38:55 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: RightGeek

Perhaps some of the more conservative refugees from the liberal wreckage of the PCUSA, ELCA and ECUSA have joined the UMC to slow down the leftism and heterodoxy.


72 posted on 05/05/2012 10:15:58 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: fwdude; xzins

Woo hoo! congratulations! Gratulacje!!


73 posted on 05/06/2012 5:25:29 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: xzins
our position is that "homosexuality is INCOMPATIBLE with Christian teaching", that "self-avowed homosexuals" will not be ordained, that homosexual marriages will NOT take place in our churches.

Let's shout that out loud. the UMC will NOT go the way of the ELCA, ECUSA, PCUSA...

74 posted on 05/06/2012 5:32:07 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos

Glory, glory hallelujah. This is so very important becuase the Methodists are such a large denomination. They are the dominant brnach of the church through much of the nation — especially the Midwest and parts of the Northeast. Thus, with the Baptists and the Catholics, the dominant churches in most states across the nation are standing firm against the wicked homoseuxal gestapo and their Communist enablers.


75 posted on 05/06/2012 6:01:14 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: mcswan

Tom Oden will be pleased.


76 posted on 05/06/2012 7:14:37 AM PDT by KC Burke (Plain Conservative opinions and common sense correction for thirteen years.)
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To: fwdude

Good news.


77 posted on 05/06/2012 8:20:46 AM PDT by dragonblustar (PETA. President Eating Tasty Animals)
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To: fwdude

This is stunningly good news! Welcome to the fight Methodist brothers and sisters!


78 posted on 05/06/2012 8:30:36 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

“I thought that with the exception of the Catholic Church and the Southern Baptists,western Christianity had basically knuckled under to the pervert lobby.”

Try the church of Christ. They don’t even use musical instruments in worship services because the Bible doesn’t expressly say to do so.

Another nice thing about the church is that each congregation hires (and, when necessary, fires) its own preacher.


79 posted on 05/06/2012 10:33:49 AM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: KC Burke

Yes, he will. And Oden is associated with Drew, one of the most liberal of Methodist seminaries.


80 posted on 05/06/2012 12:55:19 PM PDT by mcswan
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To: KC Burke

Yes, he will. And Oden is associated with Drew, one of the most liberal of Methodist seminaries.


81 posted on 05/06/2012 12:55:45 PM PDT by mcswan
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To: KC Burke

Yes, he will. And Oden is associated with Drew, one of the most liberal of Methodist seminaries.


82 posted on 05/06/2012 12:56:02 PM PDT by mcswan
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To: mcswan

Oden had a recent article in First Things on the importance of not surrendering our denominations to the Left. This shows the importance of that action.


83 posted on 05/06/2012 1:49:29 PM PDT by KC Burke (Plain Conservative opinions and common sense correction for thirteen years.)
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