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After months of lobbying, the Vikings stadium bill makes its way to the House floor
pioneer press ^ | 5-7-12 | doug belden

Posted on 05/07/2012 4:51:40 AM PDT by TurboZamboni

WHAT'S AT STAKE?

Minnesota Vikings' lease at the Metrodome is up. Team says it won't sign a new one without a deal for a new stadium. Los Angeles waits in the wings. Team has been here more than 50 years.

WHAT'S IN THE BILL?

Public funding for $975 million stadium: $150 million from Minneapolis taxes and $398 million from taxes on revenues of new electronic charitable gambling. Read bill at http://bit.ly/Vikingsbill.

WHAT'S THE PROCESS?

Minnesota House will take up the bill Monday, May 7. If it passes, it will go to the Senate. Numerous amendments are expected to be offered, and a long debate is likely.

WHAT ARE ITS CHANCES?

The 134-seat House has 72 Republicans, 61 Democrats and a vacancy. It takes 68 votes to pass a bill. Democrats have pledged half, but Republicans say they are not certain they have 34 votes.

HOW TO FOLLOW

(Excerpt) Read more at twincities.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: mn; stadium; vikings
Tell your lawmakers what you think. Go to www.house.leg.state.mn.us and click on "Who represents you" on the left-hand side.

last I read, LA was broke. how do they plan on building them a stadium?

1 posted on 05/07/2012 4:51:50 AM PDT by TurboZamboni
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To: TurboZamboni
Why do taxpayers have to foot the bill for multi-million dollar sports franchises to build stadiums, arenas, etc.? In Atlanta, they built the Georgia Dome in the early 90s, now Arthur Blank (owner of Home Depot) is pushing to have it torn down and a new stadium built - and paid for by the taxpayers.
2 posted on 05/07/2012 5:01:02 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Sworn to Defend The Constitution Against ALL Enemies, Foreign and Domestic. So Help Me GOD!)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
"Bread and Circuses" are now the SNAP program and sports.

How else do we control the masses? The glimmer of hope that professional sports offer keeps the masses placated not unlike the Lottery.

3 posted on 05/07/2012 5:04:55 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Typed using <FONT STYLE=SARCASM> unless otherwise noted)
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To: TurboZamboni

Los Angeles Vikings.
Gotta admit is sounds better than St. Louis Rams.


4 posted on 05/07/2012 5:11:21 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: TurboZamboni

Sounds like MN had better build a new stadium.How long has LA gone without an NFL team?


5 posted on 05/07/2012 5:15:53 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Julia: a casualty of the "War on Poverty")
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To: TurboZamboni

Hey!

We “NEED” to spend $1 Billion tax payer dollars, to play 8 home games per year........

Where are your priorities?


6 posted on 05/07/2012 5:17:06 AM PDT by G Larry (Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding)
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To: TurboZamboni

Personally, I couldn’t care less if the Vikings packed up and went to a new stadium in Hell. For the easily distracted, they offer an entertaining spectacle and a study in eternal optimism (or rampant denial). But since I will be forced to bear some portion of the cost for this new stage, I have the right to ask for something in return. And what will that be? What will a new Vikings stadium do for me?

Answer? Bupkus.


7 posted on 05/07/2012 5:25:08 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: G Larry

If one is good, 3 are better. think of all the jobs if we built 3 stadiums!


8 posted on 05/07/2012 5:25:58 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: TurboZamboni

This week’s score: Vikings 548,000,000 (taxpayer dollars), Taxpayers 0.


9 posted on 05/07/2012 5:26:35 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Obama vs. Romney: Zero x Zero = Zero.)
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To: Aevery_Freeman

The Buffalo Bills owner also subtly threatens the community with relocation to Los Angeles if the county and state don’t come up with $200 million for stadium improvements.


10 posted on 05/07/2012 5:29:07 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: TurboZamboni

All spending can be rationalized if you’re not asked the “Can we afford it” question.


11 posted on 05/07/2012 5:35:44 AM PDT by G Larry (Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding)
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To: TurboZamboni

Lived in the Cincinnati area when Mike Brown, owner of the Bengals, was campaigning for a new stadium. Same BS ... implying that he might move the team to LA. The city fathers of course capitulated and Paul Brown stadium was built ... going over budget by hundreds of thousands of dollars. The tax payers of Hamilton County, many who can’t afford a ticket to a Bengals game, are taking it in the shorts big time. Projected tax revenues that were supposed to increase, in large measure because of the new stadium, never materialized. The half cent increase in the Hamilton County sales tax that was passed by voters at the time of the heist to help fund the stadium (15 years ago) is still in place. What’s even more telling, the Cincinnati Enquirer that heartily endorsed the building of Paul Brown Stadium, within a year were regretting the endorsement ... as reality set in and the inevitable cost over runs began to become apparent.


12 posted on 05/07/2012 5:36:37 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: The Sons of Liberty

Atlanta built a stadium and put a box over it. Ugliest thing I have ever seen. They should have built a nice open air stadium.


13 posted on 05/07/2012 5:38:12 AM PDT by coon2000 (Give me Liberty or give me death!)
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To: TurboZamboni

I’m a big NFL fan, but with all these concussion lawsuits dominating the headlines, I can see a day when we’re left with nothing but some form of flag football, which would be un-watchable. If I was a MN taxpayer and Viking fan, I wouldn’t take the risk and say “no deal,.....but that’s just me.


14 posted on 05/07/2012 5:46:45 AM PDT by Ronald_Magnus
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To: TurboZamboni

When is the last time you attended an NFL game, if ever?

If you are like most of us, never.

So, why would you want to subsidize a stadium you may never enter?

Isn’t this a mighty high price to pay to name the team the Minnesota Vikings vs. the Podunk Ducks or the LA Rioters?

With bad roads & schools, which serve (abuse) the entire population, this seems absurd.


15 posted on 05/07/2012 5:50:01 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: TurboZamboni
Where the Viqueens should be playing:


16 posted on 05/07/2012 5:51:49 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good-Pope Leo XIII)
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To: TurboZamboni
Where the Viqueens should be playing:


17 posted on 05/07/2012 5:52:00 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good-Pope Leo XIII)
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To: TurboZamboni
Team says it won't sign a new one without a deal for a new stadium. Los Angeles waits in the wings.

The NFL owners have been using Los Angeles as a threat for decades to extort tax dollars for new stadiums.

LA lost the Rams to Anaheim. And Anaheim couldn't or wouldn't keep the Rams, even with remodeling their stadium.

Al Davis is the only one to actually carry through on the threat of moving to LA, but even he used it as leverage against Oakland to move back there once he realized LA was not going to build him a new stadium and blackouts in the coliseum were a steady thing on any given Sunday.

The threat of moving to LA is like the Race Card. Its time for being relegated to the rubbish heap of overused falsehoods is long overdue.

18 posted on 05/07/2012 5:54:45 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys=Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best for you.)
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To: coon2000
Atlanta built a stadium and put a box over it. Ugliest thing I have ever seen. They should have built a nice open air stadium.

Don't know if you talking about baseball or football here.Atlanta in January,I suspect,isn't *that* bad.Not as bad as Green Bay is,at least.But if my experience visiting Tampa in October is applicable here then Atlanta in June/July/August has got to be unbearable! Open air...Atlanta...July? No thanks!

19 posted on 05/07/2012 6:17:15 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Julia: a casualty of the "War on Poverty")
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To: TurboZamboni

Wasn’t a similar bill just defeated? If I recall, it was democrats with districts in Minneapolis that defeated the bill, with republicans supporting it completely.

Having just seen the Twins at their new stadium (a really well done stadium), I’d have to say that this is a simple case of stadium envy.


20 posted on 05/07/2012 6:46:44 AM PDT by kidd
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To: Gay State Conservative

Talking about the football stadium. The Braves stadium is very nice. It does get hot and humid here in the summer.


21 posted on 05/07/2012 7:00:37 AM PDT by coon2000 (Give me Liberty or give me death!)
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To: TurboZamboni

“Funding: $1 billion investment for the development of Farmers Field, all privately funded (this means no debt for the City of Los Angeles).”

http://www.farmersfield.com/pages/our-plan/


22 posted on 05/07/2012 7:02:52 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: TurboZamboni

What in the Sam Hill is “electronic charitable gambling”?


23 posted on 05/07/2012 7:35:32 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Gay State Conservative

“Sounds like MN had better build a new stadium.How long has LA gone without an NFL team?”

Here we are, broke in just about every place anybody calls home and the NFL thinks that those same broke governments should build them a new place to play or they will take their marbles and go home! Just incredible. Frankly, if this is how the NFL thinks it can operate, I hope voters everywhere who are treated to these “threats to leave town,” tell them, “there’s the door!” We are faced with real problems so if a bunch of millionaire owners and a bunch of overpaid minorities have to find another line of work, I am all for it!
Screw the NFL!


24 posted on 05/07/2012 7:55:08 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: TurboZamboni
IF the politicians get the new stadium for the Vikings passed and signed into law, this may be a case of winning a battle but losing the war.

Coming on the horizon with a vengeance is the demonization of football as a “killer” sport. The myth being constructed is football's the equivalent to the gladiators fighting to the death for the amusement of the crowds in the coliseum.

If the do-gooders and wussies and libs get their way, the game of football as we know it is doomed. Football maybe banned outright or so emasculated as to be unwatchable (sort of like cricket — not the insect — the game of cricket).

In that case, all this house of pro football cards is going to come crashing down and the owners, fans, players, supporting staff are going to be broke. The money will go away. These football stadiums will be decaying monuments to the willful and assisted suicide of football.

25 posted on 05/07/2012 10:52:15 AM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: MasterGunner01

At least that’s Rush’s opinion.

I would not be surprised if taxpayers get screwed twice, doublegood. Once to build this, again when trial lawyers get football rules changed making the game boring and unwatchable.(that $ will go to re-elect Dems) Teams will fold one by one, but the taxpayer will pay and pay.


26 posted on 05/07/2012 11:24:25 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

video poker, slots, etc.


27 posted on 05/07/2012 11:27:14 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

The charitable gambling financial assumptions are bogus.

Several State Sens and Reps have questioned them, and Goldman Sachs and other banks have refused to underwrite the bonds unless they are appropriations bonds not directly tied to the charitable gambling revenue.

In 2005, charitable gambling gross proceeds topped out at $1.5 billion. They have been on the decline ever since, and were actually sub $1 billion last year.

The new assumptions in the stadium bill call for them to increase immediately to $2.7 billion and grow from there over the next 30 years.

???

The only state that has tried these in the past (IA) saw them fail to increase charitable gambling in any significant way.


28 posted on 05/08/2012 4:52:26 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: TurboZamboni

Updated: May 7th, 2012 10:34pm

Vikings stadium bill passes House vote, with increase to team share

The Minnesota Vikings took a giant step Monday night toward a new taxpayer-subsidized football stadium when the state House approved legislation, but lawmakers upped the share the team would have to pay.

On a 73-58 vote, the $975 million stadium plan remained alive. The state Senate was to vote Tuesday on a competing plan, moving the Vikings closer than ever to a replacement for the aging Metrodome.

...franchise owners will find it tough to stomach an amendment that would put the team on the hook for $105 million more.

(more at http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Vikings_stadium_bill_passes_floor_vote_in_House_faces_Senate_next050712)


29 posted on 05/08/2012 6:48:03 AM PDT by kidd
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To: TurboZamboni

“It might not make sense in dollars and cents,” Hosch [Rep. Larry Hosch, DFL-St. Joseph] said, adding, “I can’t imagine a state without the Vikings.” (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-500290_162-57429826/vikings-stadium-plan-finally-scores-victory/)

A billion dollars, for what will amount to 250 games over the life of the stadium. $4 million/game. Or about $100/seat/game.

No Larry, it doesn’t make sense. I hope you can imagine a state without infrastructure, because that money is going to be used to subsidize a failing business.


30 posted on 05/08/2012 6:59:38 AM PDT by kidd
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To: kidd

My same coworkers who whine about evil rich and corporations “ not paying their fair share” are all for the taxpayer paying most of it.

Another example that people can rationalize anything if it’s something they like.
Gotta love the fat 40 something guys all over TV new last night with their faces painted purple down at the capitol .

I don’t think they understand how idiotic they look.


31 posted on 05/08/2012 7:54:45 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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