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Professors: Babies Don’t Know They’re Killed in Abortions
Life News ^ | 5/7/12 | Warner T. Huston

Posted on 05/07/2012 4:51:54 PM PDT by wagglebee

In February of 2012, a pair of left-wing “philosophers” wrote a paper that claimed that babies aren’t human until they can become cognizant of themselves, aware that if they were to be “aborted” or killed they’d be losing something valuable, their lives.

This, they claimed, justified abortion as well as post birth infanticide. Naturally they had elaborate justifications for their stance and what they wrote is chilling indeed, for it essentially states that only people that think like them are really worth the status of “human,” worth having their lives considered sacrosanct.

The pair, Alberto Giubilini of Milan, Italy, and Francesca Minerva of Australia, held as a central thesis that since abortion is so commonly accepted there had to be a more expansive use for it. That use, the pair decided, should be to cover killing babies born with developmental problems. After all, they said, neither fetuses or newborns “have the same moral status as actual persons,” so this certainly must mean that newborns with catastrophic birth defects could be killed without any moral reservations.

Here is how they justified the non-human status of both a fetus and a born baby.

The moral status of an infant is equivalent to that of a fetus in the sense that both lack those properties that justify the attribution of a right to life to an individual.

Both a fetus and a newborn certainly are human beings and potential persons, but neither is a ‘person’ in the sense of ‘subject of a moral right to life’. We take ‘person’ to mean an individual who is capable of attributing to her own existence some (at least) basic value such that being deprived of this existence represents a loss to her. This means that many non-human animals and mentally retarded human individuals are persons, but that all the individuals who are not in the condition of attributing any value to their own existence are not persons. Merely being human is not in itself a reason for ascribing someone a right to life. Indeed, many humans are not considered subjects of a right to life: spare embryos where research on embryo stem cells is permitted, fetuses where abortion is permitted, criminals where capital punishment is legal.

This is chilling for its cold approach to life, but worse for its vagueness.

Let’s examine the main point of what makes someone a worthy human in these liberal’s minds. They feel that unless someone can understand the “basic value” of their own life, then they don’t count for personhood.

This is so entirely ague that anyone can qualify for elimination in a large number of situations.

The pair mentions that mentally retarded people can qualify for elimination, that they aren’t cognizant of the value of their own lives. But are you aware of yourself when you are in a coma from an accident? Are you any longer aware of yourself if you have Alzheimer’s? How about if you have devolved to infantile status at the end of your life? Should your children have the right to just kill you instead of keeping you alive in that case?

How far does this “thought” criteria go? Can these “philosophers” decide that if you are happy drinking beer, working as a car mechanic, and watching reality TV that this isn’t enough cognition to qualify to be self-aware? Could they decide that unless you think exactly like them, why, you aren’t properly a human? Of course they could because they would be in charge of deciding what “thought” qualifies as enough to make you a real person.

Imagine what this means? It means that the left is leaving behind its reliance on “science” and alighting on “thought” to serve as a basis to assess who is worth what. No longer is mere biology something worth considering. That long-held justification for abortion using the unviable cells argument is now out. Instead we will henceforth set out to determine if people are thinking properly to ascertain if they are worth keeping alive.

Chilling, no?

Worse, imagine how much more dangerous these ideas will become when governments decide to use them as a basis for policy! We will have governments determining who is “worth” being called a human based on how the person being judged thinks.

Extremely chilling, indeed.

LifeNews.com Note: Warner Todd Huston is an editorial columnist whose work is featured on numerous web sites. He has also written for several history magazines, and appears in the new book “Americans on Politics, Policy and Pop Culture.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; moralabsolutes; prolife
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To: a fool in paradise

Many do. I’ll leave it at that.


61 posted on 05/07/2012 7:25:11 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: wagglebee
Merely being human is not in itself a reason for ascribing someone a right to life. Indeed, many humans are not considered subjects of a right to life: spare embryos where research on embryo stem cells is permitted, fetuses where abortion is permitted, criminals where capital punishment is legal.

They forgot to list Judenschwein. What would the Fuehrer or the Fuehrer's boss say?

62 posted on 05/07/2012 7:25:36 PM PDT by omega4412
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To: wagglebee
Merely being human is not in itself a reason for ascribing someone a right to life. Indeed, many humans are not considered subjects of a right to life: spare embryos where research on embryo stem cells is permitted, fetuses where abortion is permitted, criminals where capital punishment is legal.

They forgot to list Judenschwein, where the Final Solution is legal. What would the Fuehrer or the Fuehrer's boss say?

63 posted on 05/07/2012 7:27:49 PM PDT by omega4412
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To: wagglebee

The professor wouldn’t know he was being killed if someone put a bullet through his head while he wasn’t paying attention. Does that make him a non human? According to my arbitrary standards of human life, anyone who isn’t cognizant of the importance of other human life, isn’t human life. My philosophy is as valid as his.


64 posted on 05/07/2012 7:29:19 PM PDT by pallis
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

By that logic, if we snuck up behind the perfessers and blew their heads off with 12-guage shotguns before they knew what was happening, it would be OK.


Yes indeed.


65 posted on 05/07/2012 7:31:33 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: wagglebee

“They feel that unless someone can understand the “basic value” of their own life, then they don’t count for personhood.”

That’s funny. Aren’t philosophy professors people who aren’t sure whether or not they even exist ?


66 posted on 05/07/2012 7:31:49 PM PDT by haroldeveryman
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To: wagglebee

Based upon these cretin’s logic, then I surmise that it should be legal to euthanize liberals as they are incapable of rational thought.


67 posted on 05/07/2012 7:51:50 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: wagglebee

gee professor, if I went up behind you with a .45 and blew your brains out... you wouldn’t know you’re dead either. .. I get it now. thank you.


68 posted on 05/07/2012 8:27:41 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat they sh#t on.)
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To: wagglebee

The Jews didn’t know they were being gassed. Hitler has finally been vindicated!


69 posted on 05/07/2012 8:41:14 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: wagglebee

Neither do victims that get shot in the back of the head but it is still murder.


70 posted on 05/07/2012 8:45:37 PM PDT by CodeToad
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To: haroldeveryman
That’s funny. Aren’t philosophy professors people who aren’t sure whether or not they even exist ?

Intellectuals only exist if you think they do. So stop thinking it!

71 posted on 05/07/2012 8:47:02 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: GeronL

So you can get someone absolutely blind drunk, or give the date rape drug, they’re ‘out of it’ and have no consciousness, so it’s ok to kill them. Got it.


72 posted on 05/07/2012 8:56:35 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: EDINVA

That’s Joran Vandersloot’s story and he’s sticking to it.


73 posted on 05/07/2012 8:58:47 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: EDINVA

Right. I don’t know how these people sleep at night trying to justify murder.


74 posted on 05/07/2012 9:02:34 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: TigersEye

Now that you mention it, Vandersloot is the perfect poster boy for these professors.


75 posted on 05/07/2012 9:10:37 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: EDINVA

My first thought was Hitler but a womanizing playboy might make them queasier about their theory. Closer to home and all.


76 posted on 05/07/2012 9:17:43 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: GeronL
Even if that is true.... So?

So does this mean that if a person doesn’t know they are being killed it’s somehow okay to kill them?

I'm thinking that if the perfesser were taken out with a well-placed sniper shot to his head, he should be totally OK with it. After all, he wouldn't know that he'd been killed.

77 posted on 05/07/2012 9:34:54 PM PDT by Bob
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To: TigersEye

Vandersloot is closer to our time, we’ve seen him, heard him. His crimes don’t approach Adolph’s, but his personality is more contemporary and he just oozes a sense of cold, uncaring, totally devoid of empathy, like a psychopath, The writing (excerpts) of these profs is utterly without any human feeling. Chilling.


78 posted on 05/07/2012 9:35:54 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: EDINVA
I agree completely. It would serve these proffesors right if some sociopath like Joran cited their work as a defense for a murder they committed.
79 posted on 05/07/2012 9:46:52 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: wagglebee
Fixing the title:

Professors Pro-lifers: Babies Don’t God Knows They’re Killed in Abortions

That's the most important fact of the entire picture. The people who do abortions won't like meeting Jesus at the moemnt of their death.

80 posted on 05/07/2012 10:36:59 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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