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'Shut up,' they explained (writer gets fired after criticizing black studies dissertations)
American Thinker ^ | 05/09/2012 | Thomas Lifson

Posted on 05/09/2012 4:43:31 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

The trade paper of the academic industry just fired a writer who dared express skepticism about the academic worth of a number of doctoral dissertations in the field of black studies. Liz McMillan, editor of the Chronicle of Higher Education wrote a "Note to readers" explaining why Naomi Schaefer Riley's blog posting on Brainstorm last week ("The Most Persuasive Case for Eliminating Black Studies? Just Read the Dissertations" merited her dismissal and an abject apology from the editorial honcho.

Reactions are mostly predictable, from both leftists and conservatives.

Riley is, of course, being widely termed a racist. She summarized  her critics in a second post, her last before she was fired from the CoHE blog titled "Brainstorm":

The comments regarding my post seem to boil down to the following:

I am picking on people because they are black (and I am a racist).
I am picking on people even though I don't have a Ph.D.
I am picking on people who are too young and inexperienced to defend themselves.
I am picking on people even though I haven't read their entire dissertations.

Let me take the first two criticisms first. My qualifications to post on this blog consist of the fact that I have been a journalist writing about higher education for close to 15 years now. My work has been published in every major newspaper in the country and I have written two books on the subject as well. The editors at those papers and those publishers and at The Chronicle have all been aware that I hold no advanced degree. Black studies is now an academic discipline at most universities, which means I get to comment on that too.


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1 posted on 05/09/2012 4:43:39 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
PhD candidate and mentor.

His Black Studies graduate degree will qualify him (sic) for a six-figure salary from the fedgov.


2 posted on 05/09/2012 4:51:07 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: SeekAndFind

Fired from a blog. How bad is that? She now has more time to write another book!


3 posted on 05/09/2012 4:53:17 AM PDT by Lady Lucky (Non-compliant, not govt-issued, and not voting for Romney.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Gov Brewer (R-AZ) wants to appoint a Regent to the ASU board who believes that we should eliminate all College majors that will not reasonably allow the student to find a job. Black Studies, Women's Studies, Asian Studies, etc. Why pay for the education when you won't be able to get a job unless it's teaching your worthless major at a college/university? The appointee is being fought tooth and nail by the Progressives.
4 posted on 05/09/2012 4:57:46 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: SeekAndFind

Naomi Schaefer Reilly had an excellent article in the WSJ this morning discussing her “firing” and the reactions to what she said.

The grievance majors (black studies, women’s studies) should never have been given reputable academic status, IMO. Anyone who wished to focus his research in, say, anthropology, sociology or economics on a particular group could certainly have done so without this artificial world of [name the aggrieved group of your choice] studies.


5 posted on 05/09/2012 5:02:52 AM PDT by livius
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To: SeekAndFind

From what I observe, the “black culture” is totally and exclusively obsessed with race.
Paging through an “Essence” magazine (target audience is black women), all one will see are angry race based articles and ads centered on the reader’s “blackness”.

Hey, folks, there are other topics and issues in this world!


6 posted on 05/09/2012 5:05:03 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: originalbuckeye

“Black Studies, Women’s Studies, Asian Studies, etc”

Use the general term “Grievance Studies” to describe these majors and watch a lib turn purple.


7 posted on 05/09/2012 5:06:57 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

“Grievance Studies”

Love the term and cannot wait to use it.

As predicted by some notable people in the past whom were ridiculed for their commentary, the Balkanization of the US will lead to a broken society and a disaster for our Republic.


8 posted on 05/09/2012 5:12:54 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: MrB

Grievance studies leads to two carrer paths.

Job with the fed gov or
Job that requires the phrase, “you want fries with that?”


9 posted on 05/09/2012 5:18:23 AM PDT by Texas resident (Hunkered Down)
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To: SeekAndFind

Blacks in this country have a special right not to be criticised in any manner or your day will get rained on.

I hope that doesn’t get me banned.


10 posted on 05/09/2012 5:19:47 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: originalbuckeye
Most all of your East Asian studies programs in this country consist of linguistics (Chinese, Japanese, Korean), history, religion and usually economics.

Assuming a student has a couple of common East Asian languages under his belt, these are graduate level programs and the folks going after the degrees already have jobs that put them in close contact with East Asian people who may or may not also speak English, but who live in those countries and do business with the United States.

So why is Brewer down on Asian studies? Does she imagine Asia will disappear from American trade interests?

I certainly hope she doesn't imagine Asian Studies to be something like Women's studies where all a guy needs to do to find out all about that is go on a hot date eh!

11 posted on 05/09/2012 5:23:40 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Texas resident

...or working at the University teaching others how to have a worthless degree.


12 posted on 05/09/2012 5:28:56 AM PDT by beaversmom
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To: originalbuckeye
Gov Brewer (R-AZ) wants to appoint a Regent to the ASU board who believes that we should eliminate all College majors that will not reasonably allow the student to find a job

Like English and Philosophy?

I'm an English major with a minor in Philosophy. I've been a physician for >30 years and I would say that's a reasonable job.

Actually, my major-minor prepared me very well for the work I do. Medical school is for the nuts and bolts stuff.

The issue isn't liberal arts (of course, it goes without saying that any "discipline" invented since 1968 should be eliminated) - the issue is way, way too many "students" going to college.

Liberal arts, properly done, makes smart people better people. Liberal arts are not ABOUT finding you a job.

13 posted on 05/09/2012 5:29:11 AM PDT by Jim Noble ("The Germans: At your feet, or at your throat" - Winston Churchill)
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To: Jim Noble

I thought that’s what trade school was for.


14 posted on 05/09/2012 5:31:12 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: SeekAndFind
Well, there's a blog that just shot itself in the foot. Without spirited discussion (and someone to discuss that with) this tempest will die in the teapot, and they can go back to their corner of the web and fewer 'hits'.

As for the grievance studies, most of that could have been handled in a chapter of a sociology test.

Disclaimer: I didn't take sociology, it was all over the place and all you had to do was look, for Pete's sake.

I took Archaeology courses for my required 'humanities' and never regretted it.

15 posted on 05/09/2012 5:34:46 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: SeekAndFind

Thomas Lifson supports the firing — but his argument for it is lame. She chimes in that Naomi Schaefer Riley should have read the theses she flamed. But, why should she? The titles and summaries alone are outrageous assaults on common sense and scholarship and illustrate her point vividly.


16 posted on 05/09/2012 5:40:26 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: SeekAndFind

Sorry I called Thomas Lifson a “she.” That was inadvertent.


17 posted on 05/09/2012 5:41:39 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: muawiyah

There’s an actual demand for East Asian Studies majors since there’s an economic interest in, and return from, that region and those cultures. Along those lines, I would think that perhaps African Studies majors would have more of a demand than Black Studies. As mentioned earlier, the latter and others like it are just about grievances, not education or investment.


18 posted on 05/09/2012 5:41:39 AM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: Jim Noble

I have a liberal arts degree with a major in foreign language (Spanish). That degree allowed me to support my 4 children when their father decided he couldn’t handle the situation and left. I added a few hours of education courses from Baylor University, and we survived. They, all 4, are tax-paying citizens, and I’m retiring.


19 posted on 05/09/2012 5:42:39 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: Jim Noble

I won’t disagree with you about too many people going to college but the unemployment rate differential for college no college is stark.
I have always felt as you do but the world is changing and it’s more difficult to find work without.


20 posted on 05/09/2012 5:43:17 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Texas resident

or “First Lady”


21 posted on 05/09/2012 5:44:02 AM PDT by silverleaf (Funny how all the people who are for abortion are already born)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ve never taken a Black Studies class (or a Women’s Studies..er Womyn’s Studies) or any other victimology class. The tragedy is the students taking these next to worthless classes are being taken advantage of by leftist profs. These majors are nothing more than feel-good exercises which will benefit the students taking them nothing. There is room in other majors (history etc.) for classes dealing with ethnic groups and their role in shaping America. But a whole major devoted to telling the student how awful their country is and what victims they are is patently worthless.


22 posted on 05/09/2012 5:49:58 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: silverleaf

That’s right!

You reminded me.

Michelle Obama graduated Princeton in Sociology with
an African American studies minor!


23 posted on 05/09/2012 5:51:18 AM PDT by preamble
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To: Jim Noble
"liberal arts"

I tend to agree. Universities were originally designed to educate the whole person. They weren't necessarily set up to get someone a job. It's certainly nice if your major is likely to get you a good job, but an all around education is still important. People talking strictly about their jobs and little else are pretty boring to be around. My dentist can disport on a wide variety of subjects...and usually does. It makes the dental experience a lot easier to tolerate.

24 posted on 05/09/2012 5:56:24 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Travis McGee
His Black Studies graduate degree will allow him to extort money until he leads a black battalion in a UN/OIC sanctioned war on the US.

Then OIC will shove him into an oven for being the wrong race.

25 posted on 05/09/2012 5:58:05 AM PDT by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: preamble

Her actual degree should have been in Sociopathy, not Sociology

Unlike her husbands, at least parts of Michelle Lavaughn Robinson’s pathetic illiterate sniveling thesis have been published, blaming white people at Princeton for either never making her feel included, or for making her feel bad when she did feel included in values like a work ethic
http://obamaprincetonthesis.wordpress.com/


26 posted on 05/09/2012 5:58:07 AM PDT by silverleaf (Funny how all the people who are for abortion are already born)
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To: silverleaf

Good one.


27 posted on 05/09/2012 6:00:07 AM PDT by Texas resident (Hunkered Down)
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To: muawiyah

“So why is Brewer down on Asian studies?”

Pull your head out.

The LAW she signed in 2010 “...prohibits classes that advocate ethnic solidarity, that are designed primarily for students of a particular race or that promote resentment toward a certain ethnic group. It also prohibits classes that promote the overthrow of the U.S. government.”

Arizona is now threatening the universities with the same policy. Oh my!


28 posted on 05/09/2012 6:01:37 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (A conservative can't please a liberal unless he jumps in front of a bus or off of a cliff)
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To: preamble

“Michelle Obama graduated Princeton in Sociology with
an African American studies minor!”

How does that get you admitted to Harvard?????? Why not just get a “general studies” degree if you just want to pad your GPA?


29 posted on 05/09/2012 6:02:32 AM PDT by LetsRok
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To: Mr Rogers
You should go back up to Br'r buckeyball to see what he said that i responded to ~ your response to me is something you bounced off of something in your head, such as it is, not something on the thread.

Br'r buckeball says Brewer wants to appoint this guy who's against what are called Asian studies ~ and the law, as you cite it, has nothing to do with what are called Asian studies.

30 posted on 05/09/2012 6:13:02 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: MrB
Use the general term “Grievance Studies” to describe these majors and watch a lib turn purple.

Add the word "Phony" and watch them burst an artery or two...

31 posted on 05/09/2012 6:16:18 AM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: muawiyah

Actually, the post you responded to said:

“Gov Brewer (R-AZ) wants to appoint a Regent to the ASU board who believes that we should eliminate all College majors that will not reasonably allow the student to find a job. Black Studies, Women’s Studies, Asian Studies, etc.”

I haven’t heard anything about it, nor have I found anything in the press about it. However, if true, it would NOT mean they were against Asian Studies UNLESS there was no way a degree in that program would allow you to find work.

There IS a movement in Arizona to stop the teaching of racism in public schools.


32 posted on 05/09/2012 6:16:46 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (A conservative can't please a liberal unless he jumps in front of a bus or off of a cliff)
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To: Zeppo

“Perpetual Phony Grievance Studies”


33 posted on 05/09/2012 6:17:30 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: livius

Blame it on the stupid hippies who marched in the 60s chanting ‘Hey hey ho ho Western Civ has got to go!’


34 posted on 05/09/2012 6:20:20 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Truth about any racial or ethnic subject is automatically bigotry and thus verboten.
35 posted on 05/09/2012 6:24:24 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: MrB
Use the general term “Grievance Studies” to describe these majors

SEINFELD WAS SPOT ON WHEN HE THOUGHT ABOUT THE HOLIDAY THESE PEOPLE REALLY SHOULD CELEBRATE INSTEAD OF 'KWANZAA':

36 posted on 05/09/2012 6:26:40 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: mikey_hates_everything
There’s an actual demand for East Asian Studies majors since there’s an economic interest in, and return from, that region and those cultures.

I have a graduate degree in east asia studies - although there were grievance types in my cohort it was a legitimate course & was ultimately useful in my line of work.

37 posted on 05/09/2012 6:30:45 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Mr Rogers
See ~ always pays to see what someone is responding to before accusing them of having their heads in their butts ~ yes, i have several heads, each one smarter than the next FUR SHUR, and they just don't fit in there.

Now ~ let's deconstruct the thought pattern that led you to suggest otherwise ~ and it begins with "a little bit of knowledge" about Arizona's law eliminating anti-American/pro-Mexican courses in the public schools in districts with a predominantly Mexican settlement pattern.

WE ALL KNOW ABOUT THAT. The topic has been on FR several dozen times.

In this case I think the poster who started naming "programs" just pulled them out of his own nether regions without much thought ~ and, as it turned out, value!

Your response, more in righteous indignation than anything, trying to catch me in another statement YOU THINK proves I am actually a Leftwingtard (SEE: TRAYVON) ends up backfiring on you.

No, I"m hardly a Leftwingtard but I do rather enjoy going where the evidence is ~ and in this case I doubt Brewer has said to cancel Asian studies programs ~ after all, Arizona is very much a part of the business community of the Pacific Littoral and they have products they want to sell Japan, China, Korea, Malaysia, and others in that region!

38 posted on 05/09/2012 6:31:09 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Jim Noble
it goes without saying that any "discipline" invented since 1968 should be eliminated)

Like nanoscience? LOL

39 posted on 05/09/2012 6:42:05 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: SeekAndFind
Chronicle of Nigher Education

Yes nigher means being near but it also means being on the left side (specifically of two horses or vehicles) -- in fact there is a "news" report that Rick Santorum said "We know the candidate Barack Obama, what he was like – the anti-war government nig …"

The UK Guardian goes on to ask what else could Santorum be thinking about other than the N-word? Well as several readers who are more professional than the "professional" employees of The UK Guardian asked what about niggardly? (and numerous other words.)

Actually, Chronicle of Almost Education works too.

40 posted on 05/09/2012 6:54:05 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: MrB

I believe that if someone characterizes themselves as “African-American”, they should make a choice which continent they want to live in and assimilate that culture.


41 posted on 05/09/2012 6:55:02 AM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: ladyjane; Jim Noble
it goes without saying that any "discipline" invented since 1968 should be eliminated)

Like nanoscience? LOL

Looks like you may have missed the nuanced distinction between "discipline" (with quotes) and discipline (without quotes)...

42 posted on 05/09/2012 6:58:14 AM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: Jim Noble
Liberal arts, properly done, makes smart people better people.
Back in the day perhaps ... the operative word being "smart."
Today's college students can't even read or write.
43 posted on 05/09/2012 7:16:31 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: thethirddegree

It’s funny, and I guess it’s just human nature, that when a person or group is more successful than you or yours is, you seek to have the more successful person or group’s successes destroyed.

That’s the way it is with these “grievance” cultures.
Western/Christian culture, being successful, makes their cultures look bad by comparison, so instead of adapting to the more successful culture, they seek to destroy it.

I think this one of the big reasons for anti-semitism as well, besides the fact that the prince of this world has an inherent antipathy for God’s people.


44 posted on 05/09/2012 7:41:19 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: SeekAndFind
I've read a number of dissertations on black studies and disagree strongly with Liz McMillan.

They are not nearly as good as McMillan describes and that's not sarcasm.

45 posted on 05/09/2012 7:46:45 AM PDT by jody2
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To: originalbuckeye
we should eliminate all College majors that will not reasonably allow the student to find a job

That's just knee-jerk dumb.

Politicians should keep out of this other than to cut spending at state schools. College is not just a jobs-training center. If someone wants to waste his life on black studies that should be up to him.

It's interesting just which sorts of government intervention supposed conservatives support.

46 posted on 05/09/2012 7:47:16 AM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: Jim Noble

Thank you, Doctor. I am sick of the anti-cultural philistinism of so many on the right - let’s remember that Arthur Conan Doyle was a doctor AND an important writer...the liberal arts are a valuable asset to emotional and intellectual development, with countless possible applications.


47 posted on 05/09/2012 7:51:03 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Jim Noble

I’ve got a liberal arts degree myself, with lots of English and philosophy included in it.

The value of said degree, let alone its utility, is debatable.

What I would suggest is that with a little effort you and I could have read what we read and learned what we learned without sitting in a classroom, living in a dorm, and paying through the nose for the (literal) privilege.

I loved college, had a great time and pulled down a 3.86 gpa. But a lot of what I did, and what the curriculum required me to do, really only got in the way of my acquiring knowledge, let alone wisdom.


48 posted on 05/09/2012 8:01:17 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: muawiyah

Point is, your ”emphasis” should be tied into something that has a reasonable chance at getting you a job, such as finance, economics, history or law.


49 posted on 05/09/2012 8:06:52 AM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: originalbuckeye

Graduating with a degree in “Black Studies” qualifies the graduate to do exactly one thing - - teach “Black Studies”.


50 posted on 05/09/2012 8:20:47 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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