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F-22 Raptor pilots make problems public
The Washington Times ^ | May 10, 2012 | Rowan Scarborough

Posted on 05/11/2012 9:41:05 AM PDT by jazusamo

The Air Force late last month convened a summit in Ohio to address the most vexing problem of its premier jet fighter — pilots becoming dizzy from oxygen deprivation while flying the supersonic F-22 Raptor.

Scientists, manufacturers and Raptor pilots at Wright-PattersonAir Force Base brainstormed on why aviators — 25 to date — are returning from missions suffering from hypoxia, or oxygen deprivation.

“It was an update on where we were at,” said Lt. Col. Tadd Sholtis, a spokesman for the Air Force Air Combat Command at Langley Air Force Base. “We’re kind of closing in on some ideas.”

The Air Force hopes information-sharing, such as the April 26 Wright-Patterson summit, will show the 200 Raptor pilots, support crews and families that everything possible is being done.

For two pilots, the strategy didn’t work. Dressed in flight suits, the two Virginia AirNational Guard pilots engineered an embarrassing event for the Air Force: They appeared Sunday on CBS‘ “60 Minutes.”

Maj. Jeremy Gordon and Capt. Josh Wilson said they suffered severe cases of hypoxia and refused to fly the F-22 in January. Capt. Wilson has been reprimanded.

“I am not comfortable flying in the F-22 right now,” Maj. Gordon said.

~snip~

Retired Lt. Gen. Thomas G. McInerney, who logged 4,000 flying hours in fighters in Vietnam and other venues, offered blunt advice: “The Air Force has a problem, and they should not ground pilots or reprimand them. The Air Force should fix the problem.”

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: f22; raptor; usaf
Amen to Lt. Gen. Thomas G. McInerney.
1 posted on 05/11/2012 9:41:14 AM PDT by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

If the life support system has computer chips made in China, check there for a possible solution.


2 posted on 05/11/2012 9:47:54 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: GladesGuru

It’s amazing to me they haven’t found the problem or problems after all the years this has been going on, you make a valid point.


3 posted on 05/11/2012 9:54:07 AM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
"“We’re kind of closing in on some ideas.”"

That is not acceptable at these prices.

4 posted on 05/11/2012 9:57:11 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: jazusamo

Russian componets?

I bet that the Raptorski and the chinese knockoff will have fewer problems than this bird.


5 posted on 05/11/2012 9:59:50 AM PDT by Thunder90 (Romney barely won in OH with a 12-1 money advantage, he can't beat Obama that way.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

You’re absolutely right.


6 posted on 05/11/2012 10:05:51 AM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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7 posted on 05/11/2012 10:06:38 AM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
I read the article and the quotes from Tony McPeak.

McPeak is an unparalleled ass who should not be allowed to comment on anything. He should be ignored, reviled, impugned and spat upon at every opportunity.

8 posted on 05/11/2012 10:12:50 AM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: GladesGuru
I'll bet the hypoxia problems have nothing to do with the OBOGS.. They're probably barking up the wrong tree. They need to rethink this. It could have something to do with fumes emitted from another system or surface or something odd like the inside of the canopy.. It could be their G-suit or the equivalent. Does the F-22 create situational or pilot position conditions no other aircraft does? I think it would've been solved by now if it was the OBOGS, so that's probably not the culprit.

In any case, I don't think the pilots should be going public with this. Yes they are vulnerable in the F-22 but griping to the media is not appropriate. If they want, they can orchestrate a filibuster or something, but exposing our military weaknesses DIRECTLY TO THE MEDIA should be grounds for discharge. This should have been kept classified and never been made public. The acceptability of 'loose lips' under this administration is reprehensible. It's just one more example of Obama's sabotage of America.

9 posted on 05/11/2012 10:18:00 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: jazusamo

They’ve got a team working on it. Let me help.

It sounds like they need to check system that supplies air to the pilot.


10 posted on 05/11/2012 10:19:53 AM PDT by lurk
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To: starlifter
McPeak is an unparalleled ass who should not be allowed to comment on anything.

I couldn't agree more. Below is his one big accomplishment and thank the Lord it was retired when he retired.


11 posted on 05/11/2012 10:21:14 AM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
As I remember it, the first aircraft accepted with OBOGS (On-board Oxygen Generating System) was the AV-8B Harrier II in 1980. Since then, more and more aircraft have been fitted with OBOGS. There have been problems with OBOGS since it was accepted. For a mature system such as this to STILL having problems is absolutely mind boggling.

This not a small problem. This is a major life support problem, that must be solve. If not, we restrict all aircraft with OBOGS to not more than 10,000 feet in altitude.

12 posted on 05/11/2012 10:28:38 AM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: jazusamo

Maybe the F-22 Raptors are Leftists?


13 posted on 05/11/2012 10:36:48 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: jazusamo

It’s a fixable problem. Fix it, and get ready to make more F-22s once we dump the commies who are running Washington.


14 posted on 05/11/2012 11:02:37 AM PDT by pallis
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Unacceptable? That is infinitely more mild than it should be.

These idiots, and that is what they are if they continue to put out statements like this and the last one to the effect, “we are studying the cause of the problem but can’t find it yet.”

Shoe clerk losers.


15 posted on 05/11/2012 11:11:14 AM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: starlifter
McPeak is an unparalleled ass who should not be allowed to comment on anything. He should be ignored, reviled, impugned and spat upon at every opportunity.

+1

16 posted on 05/11/2012 11:20:09 AM PDT by Getsmart64
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To: jazusamo
The answer is: they're not getting enough oxygen.

Now, where's my $100K government grant for that critical study and earthshaking conclusion?

17 posted on 05/11/2012 11:22:28 AM PDT by mikeus_maximus (I won't vote for Romney, period. Voting for "the lesser of two evils" is still voting for evil.)
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To: starlifter

McPeak says:

“I think it’s a shame,” said retired Air ForceGen. Merrill A. McPeak, the service’s chief of staff in the early 1990s. “They must be planning on getting out of the Air Force and running for Congress, because that’s not the way professionals would deal with this problem. I would invite them to try a different plane — an airliner.”

Spoken like a true former and now wannabe tool.

On the other hand, there is hope here:

“If all that were in my chain of command, there would be some heads rolling somewhere,” said retired Air ForceMaj. Gen. Charles D. Link. “Pilots shouldn’t have to go to congressmen and get whistleblower protection in order to get relief from some kind of problem. It just shouldn’t happen. There’s a chain-of-accountability breakdown there somewhere.”


18 posted on 05/11/2012 11:22:55 AM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: jazusamo

Aren’t we really getting to the point where mostly autonomous combat aircraft can do the job better anyway? It looks like human physiology is becoming the weakest link in these things on several levels. No pilot = smaller airframe, no life support, no need to mantain a deployed pilot overseas, probably much faster reaction times, ablity to perfom extreme G maneuvers that would incapacitate or kill a pilot, etc. Drones look more and more like the future of air combat.


19 posted on 05/11/2012 11:36:03 AM PDT by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: Trod Upon
I've little doubt that's coming in the future, they're making good progress with drones. Technology will have to improve a lot to replace the human brain in the cockpit in air to air combat I believe but it will happen eventually.
20 posted on 05/11/2012 12:46:11 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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