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To: Vaquero
I cant believe anyone here would stay home or vote 3rd party.

It's a tough choice, but not as simple as "do you really want 4 more years of Obamao?". Willard would permanently redefine the party leftward. This would marginalize Conservatives for a generation (at least) and give the GOP-e the real mandate it wants: to tell Conservatives to sit down, shut up and get with the program. Is gridlocking Obamao for 4 years with a more Conservative congress and the possibility of a true Conservative on the ticket in 2016 a worse option than that? I wish both could lose, but I am not convinced that ABO is the best way forward for Conservatives. There is also impeachment, and the chance Willard will drop out. Heh, there is also the chance Willard will join Obamao on a unity tick after the convention.
18 posted on 05/12/2012 8:36:00 AM PDT by kevcol
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To: kevcol

Name your poison, hemlock or cyanide.


22 posted on 05/12/2012 8:47:30 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: kevcol

...on the other hand, there is the Supreme Court... Could very well be three new judges in the next term. Do you really want Obama to still be in there nominating feminazis, muslims and marxists? As much as I loathe Romney, I have to remind myself that the Supreme Court is even more important, and that Romney if elected can and will be taken to task by conservatives to make sure he nominates conservative judges. Bush’s Miers moment would pale in comparison if Romney dared do anything to the contrary.


59 posted on 05/12/2012 10:16:53 AM PDT by Wyoming Cowboy
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To: kevcol
It's a tough choice, but not as simple as "do you really want 4 more years of Obamao?" Willard would permanently redefine the party leftward. This would marginalize Conservatives for a generation (at least) and give the GOP-e the real mandate it wants: to tell Conservatives to sit down, shut up and get with the program. Is gridlocking Obamao for 4 years with a more Conservative congress and the possibility of a true Conservative on the ticket in 2016 a worse option than that?

Actually it is as simple as "do we want 4 more years of 0bamao?" First of all, 0dumb0 doesn't give a rat's ass as to the problem of gridlock or not. He will use his "Executive Orders" to effectively rule as a dictatorship, supported by the partisan in-the-tank media, and dare the House GOP or GOP Senate to do anything about it. If they pass a bill or bills to counter the Executive Orders, 0dumb0 will simply veto the bill and his veto will hold up. I don't believe the Senate will be flipped to the Repubs anyway in the Nov 2012 election.

In the House, Boehner is the most incompetent, inept, ineffective Speaker of the House we could possibly end up with. He is a cry baby, and he is dumber than dirt and looks it with his deputy dog droopy eyes, and along with Biden, ranks as the 2 dumbest politicians in DC! Boehner has SINGLE-HANDEDLY destroyed ALL the momentum & surge coming out of the Nov 2010 elections with his ineptness. 0dumb0 has played Boehner to be an incompetent fool. Boehner lost the fight on raising the debt ceiling right from the very start, and instead caved in to give 0dumb0 another $2.4 TRILLION with meaningless stipulations that 0dumb0 just pays lip service to. Boehner kicked the can down the road on the Bush tax cuts expiring & 0dumb0 will play him for an inept fool when this debate is reignited. He goes golfing (more than once) with the traitor 0dumb0. 0dumb0 conducts an illegal war against Libya without congressional authorization within the 60 day deadline and nothing happens. 0dumb0 & Holder are laughing at the threats by the House GOP re. Fast & Furious, and the murder of Border Patrol agent Terry. 0dumb0 has made illegal NON-recess appointments and the GOP Senate has done nothing. Etc., etc., etc!

So if 0dumb0 wins this coming Nov 2012, we will likely no longer have a country or constitution by 2016. 0dumb0 will be on a drug induced HIGH as he destroys & rips apart our country and steals the few remaining freedoms we have. And he will openly mock the pathetic inept GOP House or Senate trying to stop him.

I have been a firm supporter of Newt from the very start...unfortunately that has not worked out, we have Mitt Romney instead. And believe me, it IS as simple as do we want 4 more years of unrestrained 0dumb0 on steroids (or cocaine)? That RAT bastard will destroy our country for good. It better be Anybody But 0dumb0, even if that anybody is Mitt Romney. If not, and if 0dumb0 gets re-elected, than I hope & pray for a secession of 14-18 Southern & Western states and to dare 0dumb0 to do anything about it. Hopefully most of the rank & file military would support the seceding states, but I am convinced that most of the senior officers (colonels, generals, admirals, etc) will firmly be in 0dumb0's camp. I would join these seceding states in a heart beat. OTOH this would likely never happen anyway as our country is too far down the socialist path to Hell.

140 posted on 05/12/2012 10:43:09 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: kevcol
Willard would permanently redefine the party leftward. This would marginalize Conservatives for a generation (at least) and give the GOP-e the real mandate it wants: to tell Conservatives to sit down, shut up and get with the program.

Exactly. I've seen a few fools who think that we can somehow influence Romney. If Romney gets in, he is going to surround himself with people like him, and he will strengthen the liberal grip on the GOP. If Romney gets the nomination and loses (which he probably will), we'll still see somebody even more liberal being run in 2016, assuming Romney doesn't make another run.

Every GOP candidate starting in 1988 with George H. W. Bush has been more and more liberal, and Mittens is just the last in 24 year string of RINOs.

The challenge is for Conservatives to truly unite and to truly stand up to the liberals running the GOP. As long as we keep getting brainwashed into automatically voting for the Republican simply because he has an (R) next to his name, that will not happen, and the liberals will continue to consolidate their power within the GOP.
154 posted on 05/13/2012 12:44:29 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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