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Can You Call a 9-Year-Old a Psychopath?
The New York Times ^ | May 13th, 2012 | Jennifer Khan

Posted on 05/13/2012 12:12:29 PM PDT by KantianBurke

One day last summer, Anne and her husband, Miguel, took their 9-year-old son, Michael, to a Florida elementary school for the first day of what the family chose to call “summer camp.” For years, Anne and Miguel have struggled to understand their eldest son, an elegant boy with high-planed cheeks, wide eyes and curly light brown hair, whose periodic rages alternate with moments of chilly detachment. Michael’s eight-week program was, in reality, a highly structured psychological study — less summer camp than camp of last resort.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; child; psycho
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Reading about these feral animals, I'm reminded of how fortunate we are to have the 2nd Amendment. If one lives nearby one these "kids," it'd be in one's best interests to inform the "parents" that if little Junior becomes a threat to one's family, there will be lethal consequences.
1 posted on 05/13/2012 12:12:36 PM PDT by KantianBurke
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To: KantianBurke

This was a sad and creepy article.


2 posted on 05/13/2012 12:15:37 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: KantianBurke

There’s a bunch of stupid comments on the site such as he’ll do well in the corporate world to psychopathy is a variation where the successful ones are republican presidential candidates and the stupid ones end up in jail. Really stupid liberals.


3 posted on 05/13/2012 12:21:07 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: jocon307

It’s safe to say “Michael” is going to cause plenty of harm in the near future.


4 posted on 05/13/2012 12:23:37 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: KantianBurke

I am of the opinion that “first born syndrome” comes directly from the parents who dote hand and foot on the first born. They don’t teach him to be a well behaved child and to obey his parents. The child is allowed to get away with behavior that is not tolerated when the child gets older.

Then, when the next child comes along, there is a sudden switch. The parents attention is now on the new born and the oldest is expected to behave but has never been corrected or taught to behave. The child develops a deep seated resentment, especially for being forced to grow up all of a sudden.

The corrective action is the rapid application of a switch anytime a tantrum starts, the kid acts out or disobeys. However, since the child was not taught discipline from the beginning, I doubt the parents will apply discipline now.


5 posted on 05/13/2012 12:27:31 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: taxcontrol

The symptoms described in the article are way beyond that sort of rivalry. These individuals are clearly dangerous now and more so later.


6 posted on 05/13/2012 12:33:52 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: taxcontrol
Sometimes brains don't work right. It's not always about bad parenting.
7 posted on 05/13/2012 12:38:35 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Like Emmett Till, Trayvon Martin has become simply a stick with which to beat Whites.)
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To: KantianBurke
The question posited by the headline is ridiculous. It presumes that psychopathology can only manifest after 18? The human animal is one of the most dangerous, complicated, and unpredictable predators to ever walk the Earth. A primary survival mechanism is to identify those with faulty wiring and avoid them as they are a threat to ones survival. Age is immaterial.

At my advanced age, I have learned to pay close attention to the hairs on the back of my neck. They have never failed me in identifying someone who was ‘off’. Some, like Bill Ayers argue that children cannot be classified as predators. Ironically, Bill Ayers raises my hackles to a greater degree than does the 'patient zero' of this sad story.
8 posted on 05/13/2012 12:41:01 PM PDT by davius (You can roll manure in powdered sugar but that don't make it a jelly doughnut.)
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To: KantianBurke

While certainly, some people just aren’t “wired right,” it makes you wonder how much spiritual structure there is for some of these kids in their households.


9 posted on 05/13/2012 12:41:59 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: KantianBurke

Any spoiled child is a Psychopath....
America loves to spoil their children generally..

Proof: Republicans running the inventor of Romney-care against the inventor of Dohbama-Care..

America spoils the children they do not murder thru abortion..
Dohbama(biden) is just punishment for doing that..
A Psychopath as President and Vice President..
who fills the Executive Branch with other Psychopaths..


10 posted on 05/13/2012 12:49:07 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: taxcontrol
Recall that in the topic case the father had had similar problems and then one day just 'grew up'.

Many parents send their troublesome juniors into Boy Scouts (and other youth programs). I can put names on these guys ~ Hoon, .............. ~ dozens of them! One boy had an additional blood pressure problem and he'd have to run in place most of the time.

And I've seen them just "grow up".

Not once did we have a cutting.

My impression has been that these kids are all a problem to everybody in their growing years, but not necessarily so once they are adults ~ but some are. Paul Baker pops into my mind! And some others ~ mostly their parents ~ the interstate car thieves, the mobsters, the girls who ran away with the carnival.......

11 posted on 05/13/2012 12:51:13 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Joe 6-pack

Makes one wonder if some haven’t dabbled in the occult and some children might be demon possessed.


12 posted on 05/13/2012 12:52:37 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: KantianBurke
It’s safe to say “Michael” is going to cause plenty of harm in the near future.

Hard to say. The kid sounds a lot like my nephew did till he became a teenager and my sister was forced to put him out to fend for himself. After a year or so of struggling to feed himself and keep a roof over his head he became a well mannered, respectable young adult.

He's picked up some valuable skills which will serve him well at some point like welding.
13 posted on 05/13/2012 12:52:41 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: davius

That’s a legal question ~ I gather professionals in this field have to pay attention to age just to avoid malpractice suits by crazy parents who thought their kids could be cured instantly.


14 posted on 05/13/2012 12:53:37 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: KantianBurke
they are simply a bad seed...
15 posted on 05/13/2012 12:54:14 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: taxcontrol; KantianBurke

My aunt and uncle had two children; the oldest was the nicest person one could meet while the youngest was a terror diving into drugs and sex. Same environment with the same loving parents who never exhibited any different treatment for either of the kids. My aunt and uncle were constantly running off to see psychologists and therapists to no avail.

Sometimes it can be the parents but I’m convinced that sometimes it can just as easily be the mixture. Parents simply can’t be blamed for everything.


16 posted on 05/13/2012 12:55:39 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: cripplecreek

That might be the case. Regardless, I’ll purchase some more ammo. Can’t be too careful.


17 posted on 05/13/2012 12:56:45 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: HarleyD

Same with my sister. She has 5 kids that run the whole range.


18 posted on 05/13/2012 12:59:30 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: KantianBurke

At the end of the article he says, why don’t more people do bad things? And the answers he offers are because they are inhibited, by empathy, by worries of isolation, by fears of getting caught.

I’ll throw in my own two cents and say part of it is these people believe they are masters of their own lives; they don’t believe in God or authority. Why should they listen to anyone? How many times in people’s lives would they do things, but for the fear of God?


19 posted on 05/13/2012 12:59:51 PM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: taxcontrol

Back in the day it was worse being the firstborn, easier being second and third, we could watch and find out how the “game” is played to stay out of parents line of fire. The youngest was the spoiled “baby” of the family.


20 posted on 05/13/2012 1:03:18 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: taxcontrol

Little FYI, applying the switch at the slightest provocation can be bad for a child as well. My father would spank me (and I’m talking a volley of hard spanks meant to hurt for hours, not a simple swat) for the slightest cross (hell, he spanked me once because I was backing my tricycle into the drain pipe on our house. Please, explain to me what harm I was doing), and there was never any explanation of why what I had done was wrong or what harm it had caused.

Essentially, I grew up almost afraid of my own shadow, because I never knew what would get me spanked or yelled at due to never knowing what my father considered wrong, and while I wasn’t always scared of my father, I was never comfortable around him (part of the drive to get out on my own was to finally get out from under his control). I believe in discipling a child at an early age, but there has to be logic and reason behind it so the child understands what’s going on, and doesn’t end up scared to death of the very people who are supposed to protect him.


21 posted on 05/13/2012 1:18:59 PM PDT by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be purchased and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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To: Cvengr
Oh, indeed.

Let's not ignore our search for the Medieval diagnosis to explain Psychopathy: A mother who consorted with the devil.

22 posted on 05/13/2012 1:21:31 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: KantianBurke

Some people are just plain evil. Witch doctors and psychologists (same thing really) try to come up with reasonable explanations like possession by a demon or brain chemicals out-of-balance, but these are just attempts to pretend that evil doesn’t exist. Some people are just plain evil from their earliest years. I’ve known a couple of kids like that. None of their brothers or sisters were troublemakers. The parents did their best. The kids were just plain vicious and cruel and destructive. No amount of discipline or love or anything made the slightest difference. Fortunately they are fairly rare. They invariably end up dead or in prison or more rarely become President or Speaker of the House.


23 posted on 05/13/2012 1:23:00 PM PDT by Seruzawa (Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for good a blaster kid.)
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To: KantianBurke

Best book on the subject is Robert Hare’s “Without Conscience”. What you’re dealing with is a birth defect entirely like Down Syndrome, basically a modeling facility which all normal people have, but psychopaths don’t. And it’s very obvious at a very early age. Hare says there is no such thing as a parent of a psychopathic child who wouldn’t gladly hand the kid over to some government agency at age seven or eight.


24 posted on 05/13/2012 1:26:02 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: KantianBurke

Good luck with any castle doctrine, stand you grand law, make my day law, etc etc, should you ever gun down a 9 year old. Hint: Things will not go well for you.


25 posted on 05/13/2012 1:26:26 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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