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Time to Come Clean, Ms. Warren? [Cherokee genealogist calls out Elizabeth Warren]
Thoughts from Polly's Granddaughter ^ | May 14, 2012 | Polly's Granddaughter

Posted on 05/16/2012 1:23:37 PM PDT by No One Special

There has been a lot in the news about Elizabeth Warren, the Harvard law professor who is running for US Senate. It seems she may have wrongly claimed to be Native American to help further her career. Of course, she claims she "checked the box" to get involved in social activities with "people who are like" she is. I would like to know what she meant by the statement "people who are like I am." If she means people like Ward Churchill, I guess I get it, but if she means people like me and other REAL Indians, I don't. She isn't a real Indian. And contrary to most of the current media stories, she doesn't even have a Cherokee ancestor.

Chris Child of the New England Historic Genealogical Society publicly stated that Ms. Warren did have a Cherokee ancestor, but it seems both he and the NEHGS have backed away from that claim, thanks to media attention and to the investigative work of Sam Morningstar.

I have been unavailable to research this much due to a family emergency, but I have been kept in the loop of the research done by both my team and that done by Mr. Morningstar. The team I work with has been tracing Ms. Warren's ancestry and has found no indication of Cherokee ancestry in any of her ancestral lines so far. Emails from them to Chris Child of the NEHGS went unanswered. Mr. Morningstar was able to get answers to at least one of his emails where Mr. Child admitted the only thing they had showing Cherokee ancestry for Ms. Warren was the infamous family newsletter. That newsletter has now been shown to be inaccurate. 

It is unfortunate that things like this have to happen in order for us to see why false claims of Cherokee ancestry (or any Indian ancestry) can be harmful. Did Ms. Warren use her false claim to get the edge over others who might have been equally as qualified to teach at Harvard? This doesn't just affect Cherokees or other Native Americans. It effects everyone. What if Ms. Warren was selected over another equally as qualified white woman simply because she "checked that box"?

I have read a lot of comments to the recent news stories and some people are asking why it matters. It matters because Ms. Warren lied. And her lie is worse than that of the average Joe Shmoe on the street who wrongly claims to be Cherokee because Ms. Warren is a LAW PROFESSOR. She is aware of laws and the standards of proof needed for what we claim to be true. High cheekbones wouldn't cut it in court and it doesn't cut it in genealogy either. Ms. Warren cannot claim ignorance nor can she claim she just didn't have the money to do her genealogy. After all, she is a Harvard professor and also works as a consultant.

I have a lot more to say on this topic with a lot of documentation, but for now, I would just like to say:
It's time to come clean, Ms. Warren. You can blame all this attention on Senator Scott Brown if you like, but we Cherokees aren't buying what you are selling either. It is time to admit you have nothing but a family story on which you base your claim of Cherokee ancestry and that after investigation, you realize that story is not true. It is time you apologize not only to your supporters but also to the real Cherokee people - not just for pretending to be one of us to further your career, but also for that "high cheekbone" comment. Come on, if you really got your job at Harvard on your merits, then you are intelligent enough to know that is a stereotype and insulting. Buh! 

Those are my thoughts for today.
Thanks for reading.







**Note - I would like to thank both the team of researchers I work with and Mr. Morningstar for keeping me aware of their findings while I was busy taking care of family responsibilities. Your unending devotion to finding and revealing the truth is admirable and makes me proud to call you all friends.

And Mr. Morningstar, glad to see you back in the game! Keep up the good work!;)



TOPICS: Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: cherokee; chiefslingingbull; elizabethwarren; fauxcahontas; highcheekbones; massachusetts; scottbrown
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About Polly's Granddaughter:

I am the wife of a career soldier and the mother of four. I am registered with the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma and, like my ancestors, have always been proud of my Cherokee heritage. I have been studying Cherokee history and genealogy for a long time and I am interested in anything Cherokee, whether it involves the historical Cherokee Nation or the Cherokee people of today. I have been fortunate to have been mentored in Cherokee history and genealogical methods by David Cornsilk and the late Jerri Chasteen and I hope to pass on what I have learned to others. I adhere to the Standards for Sound Genealogical Practices and believe one should only claim what they can prove through solid historical documentation.

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1 posted on 05/16/2012 1:23:40 PM PDT by No One Special
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To: No One Special
Mat the Cherokee Tribal Council and Chiefs publicly call her out as a pretender and a liar.
2 posted on 05/16/2012 1:26:31 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: No One Special

You do not want to get politically-active Indians on the warpath - as Ward Churchill learned to his regret. They are into racial purity on the level with Nazis!


3 posted on 05/16/2012 1:27:59 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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May the Cherokee Tribal Council and Chiefs publicly call her out as a pretender and a liar.


4 posted on 05/16/2012 1:31:47 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: No One Special

Im glad someone has finally come forward and exposed her fraud with some explanations...

She owes the Cherokee Nation an apology and she should step down from that job she got by lying ...


5 posted on 05/16/2012 1:31:54 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: No One Special

> “people who are like” she is.
i.e., LIARS.


6 posted on 05/16/2012 1:34:04 PM PDT by BuffaloJack (End Obama's War On Freedom.)
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To: No One Special

“people who are like I am” = fakes and frauds = Warren and Obama


7 posted on 05/16/2012 1:34:26 PM PDT by MagnoliaB
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To: Tennessee Nana
She owes the Cherokee Nation an apology and she should step down from that job she got by lying ...

I agree she owes the Cherokee Nation an apology. However, I don't think she should step down, I think she should be FIRED for lying on her application! If I put down that I had a college degree which later turns out to be inaccurate (I was lying), then they would FIRE me! Why haven't they FIRED her?!?!?!
8 posted on 05/16/2012 1:40:20 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: miss marmelstein

The ugly underbelly of this story is the stereotype insult for which Polly’s Granddaughter seeks an apology. Whether one is given or not, it is a stereotype because it reflects the general belief most liberals have for people of color (conversely whites for that matter when it comes to reparitions). Anyone who isn’t a member in good standing of the elite community is a stereotype to them.


9 posted on 05/16/2012 1:53:02 PM PDT by bcsco
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To: miss marmelstein
They are into racial purity on the level with Nazis!

Oh, the Cherokees aren't so fanatical as that. I think a person of 1/4 blood is eligible for tribal membership.

If the genealogy checks out, that is.

10 posted on 05/16/2012 2:01:53 PM PDT by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: Max in Utah

Maybe different tribes have different standards. I’m only going on my dealings with some Northeast tribe members who are always busily denouncing other members as fake Indians. My Nazi reference was over-the-top, lol!


11 posted on 05/16/2012 2:10:41 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Max in Utah
Oh, the Cherokees aren't so fanatical as that. I think a person of 1/4 blood is eligible for tribal membership.

I never tried to verify it but that is what my dad told me. He says that he is eligible with 1/4 blood but never got listed.

12 posted on 05/16/2012 2:12:00 PM PDT by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: No One Special
Come on, if you really got your job at Harvard on your merits, then you are intelligent enough to know that is a stereotype and insulting. Buh!

Judging by what I've been seeing lately, elite academia continues to enjoy a reputation it clearly no longer deserves.

13 posted on 05/16/2012 2:14:21 PM PDT by Malone LaVeigh
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To: No One Special

I want somebody to investigate her two adult children to find out if they’ve been pulling this same scam for college and jobs.


14 posted on 05/16/2012 2:18:56 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: No One Special

To understand Elizabeth Warren one needs to recognize that she is hearing disabled and is somewhat dyslexic.

She thinks her family name is War Hen and her name is Dances with Fractions.

She did not quite catch the name of the tribe of her people and mistakenly believes she is a member of the Cherokee Nation when she is in fact a Cigasto Indian. A tribe not noted for speaking but which has helped numerous merchants sell that important Indian tabacco.

She has for years mistaken the mottos on state license plates. She has always read “Native America” on the Oklahoma license plates as “Native American” which she apparently believe referred to her and not to the state of Oklahoma.

She has also for years misread “Sprit of America” on the Massachusetts license to refer to the Spirits of American Indians.

He desparately wants her great-grandmother to be full Cigasto Indian since 1/32 is about 3%. If her great-grandmother is only half Cigasto or less Liz War Hen will be a 1%-er and you know who much she and the Harvard faculty hate 1%-ers—except for themselves, of course!


15 posted on 05/16/2012 2:24:49 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (Da Bro' Gotsta Go!)
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To: houeto; Max in Utah
Fellow I worked with had a grandmother who was an enrolled Cherokee. He provided some birthcertificates and got enrolled himself. He looks a lot lie Quanah Parker though.

According to material on the net one band allows 1/32, another 1/16 and another 1/4 ~ so there's variation.

Then you have to prove that Cherokee ancestry by reference to ancestors on the Dawes Rolls ~ you can look them up on the net.

Some Indians who are less than 1/32 Cherokee don't qualify ~ it's gotta' be Cherokee.

16 posted on 05/16/2012 2:25:50 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SandRat
May the Cherokee Tribal Council and Chiefs publicly call her out as a pretender and a liar

Till now they have not done so. What's that tell you?

Tells me tribal leaders are currently negotiating with the Democrats to see how many goodies then can get in exchange for coming out and embracing her and proclaiming "why, sure she's one of us!"


17 posted on 05/16/2012 2:29:27 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: No One Special

HOW.

How could this happen, Lies With A Fist?


18 posted on 05/16/2012 2:31:10 PM PDT by Dysart (2012: Year of the queer)
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To: muawiyah
According to material on the net one band allows 1/32, another 1/16 and another 1/4 ~ so there's variation.

They told dad that he could enroll at 1/4. Granny was listed at full blood. He said they wouldn't let me at 1/8. Oh well. I am more Cherokee than this lying beotch.

I'll be watching to see where this goes.

19 posted on 05/16/2012 2:40:49 PM PDT by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: No One Special

Warren is a disgusting liar and ought to be ashamed of herself


20 posted on 05/16/2012 2:41:07 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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