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America’s aging aviation force: Father, son flew same fighter jet 30 years apart
Hotair ^ | 05/18/2012 | Rob Bluey

Posted on 05/18/2012 8:14:30 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 05/18/2012 8:14:38 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ve often wondered that if new, stronger metals and upgraded powerplants and electronic avionics and deadlier weapons if a P-51 wouldn’t suit our third world incursion wars much better.


2 posted on 05/18/2012 8:31:49 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: zot

first father and son BUFFs now father and son F-15s


3 posted on 05/18/2012 8:32:20 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: SeekAndFind

And I know many of the young men who fly these ancient aircraft. You can only upgrade for so long.

We have flown our airplanes to death these last 20+ years.

Think about a car, no matter how much you maintain it and baby it parts wear out. Now, make it a race car built to the highest specifications with the metal stressed to the highest limits to save all the weight possible. Load it with tons of dead mass (bombs and rockets), driving on a rough track and see what happens. It will not last, the metal will fatigue and fail. If for some reason you don’t understand the analogy, we have built extremely high performance aircraft with the lightest frames possible, load them with bombs, fly them in very rough air, put them through high G maneuvers at high speeds and expect them to last forever. They simply will not last.

What this country is doing to our military is shameful. We will pay a terrible price for it some day. I am afraid it will not be long from now.


4 posted on 05/18/2012 8:32:40 AM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: Gaffer

Further, I submit that there are sometimes cases where inspiration of a higher order have influenced development of materiel for the good of mankind. Two come to mind: 1) the marvelous 120 design-build-fly of the P-51 and a similarly impressive feat for the Willy’s Jeep.


5 posted on 05/18/2012 8:34:00 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

Because of the limitations of the Mustang’s liquid cooled Merlin, I’ve been partial to the Skyraider, P-47 Thunderbolt, or F4U Corsair.


6 posted on 05/18/2012 8:34:04 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: GreyFriar

I can sypmathize, but to me the Mustang was true inspiration.


7 posted on 05/18/2012 8:35:11 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: SeekAndFind

My father and I did the same thing. He went to Vance AFB for pilot training. He graduated with 66-A class. I was born there while he was in pilot training. Later I went to Vance for my pilot training. I graduated with 87-05 class. We later compared logbooks and had flown many of the exact same airplanes. Both T-37’s and T-38’s.


8 posted on 05/18/2012 8:37:29 AM PDT by PilotDave (No, really, you just can't make this stuff up!!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

The B-52 is old just like the A-10 but those were the planes the Iraqis feared the most. I almost had a BUFF crash on top of me at Fairchild AFB.

Our planes are still the best in the skies.


9 posted on 05/18/2012 8:39:40 AM PDT by Azeem (There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo.)
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To: Gaffer

The Atomic Bomb was a good one............


10 posted on 05/18/2012 8:39:57 AM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: Gaffer

Even if it wouldn’t, they should build them anyway. It is the finest looking aircraft ever built.


11 posted on 05/18/2012 8:40:33 AM PDT by HerrBlucher
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They would and thus the reason for the Tucano or something like it.

The A-26 was such an outstanding counter insurgency aircraft they were completely worn out in the early days of Vietnam. We need a moderate performance, survivable aircraft with a high end weapons delivery system for these crap wars we continue to fight.

We do instead is take what is out best remaining high performance aircraft and fly it around for thousands of hours to drop bombs on people armed with shoulder fired weapons. It is the equivalent of making your daily commute in an Formula One race car.

The only part of sitting in traffic that makes it remotely fun is to see the guys in very high end sedans and sports cars creeping forward one foot at a time. I marvel at the waste and vanity. They have converted something like a thoroughbred I prize and appreciate into a nag pulling a trash cart.


12 posted on 05/18/2012 8:40:47 AM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: GreyFriar

Agreed. The Air Force found that out the hard way in Korea when the brass insisted on using Mustangs as ground-attack aircraft.


13 posted on 05/18/2012 8:41:55 AM PDT by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: Gaffer
“If a P-51 wouldn't’t suit our third world incursion wars much better.”

While not as pretty, the A10 Warthog probably fills that role very nicely.

14 posted on 05/18/2012 8:44:17 AM PDT by Tupelo (GARY JOHNSON will cut spending. Will Mit?)
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To: SeekAndFind
I can only imagine what the continuous cycling of desert baking and high alt freezing does to insulation, hoses, synthetics...the chlorine begins to unwind from the long molecular chains and it all starts to turn to either a soft goo or turn brittle and crack.
15 posted on 05/18/2012 8:50:25 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (When we cease to be good we'll cease to be great. Be for Goode.)
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“I hear people talk about, well you know, the U.S. military spends more money than the next 17 nations combined,” Deptula said. “Well, the next 17 nations combined are not committed to maintaining peace and stability around the world. We are.”

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And maybe we ought to rethink our self-imposed world policeman status.


16 posted on 05/18/2012 8:51:32 AM PDT by JohnKinAK
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To: SeekAndFind

Taking out an insurgents Toyota pickup truck with $500,000 cruise missles doesn’t make much economic sense either.


17 posted on 05/18/2012 8:52:02 AM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: SeekAndFind

I doubt there are many parts left in the plane the father flew. Everything’s replaced over time. Other than a few airframe parts, it’s essentially a different plane.


18 posted on 05/18/2012 8:55:50 AM PDT by wolfman
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To: Sequoyah101

Task the Air Force with selecting & operating all long range bombers, fighters and interceptors.

Let the Marines & the Army do the same for Close Air Support (CAS).

The Navy has veto on selection of all carrier based aircraft. ( A significant number are CAS. A hot-dog Air Force fighter/interceptor that can’t handle carrier landings is useless. Same for single engines)


19 posted on 05/18/2012 8:56:33 AM PDT by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: Sequoyah101

True, to a point.

Some of these AC are like the “original” axe George Washington used to cut down the cherry tree.... They have replaced the handle six times and the head four...

Still...Most people would be amazed at what is allowed in the air.


20 posted on 05/18/2012 8:57:55 AM PDT by NY.SS-Bar9
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