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To: ArrogantBustard
Nothing contradicts. People have a warp sense of what love is. Was Christ loving when He healed the blind man? Was Christ loving when He told the rich young ruler to sell everything he had? Was Christ loving when He told the Pharisees and tax collectors they were evil and perverse? Was Christ loving when He told us about the hardness of our hearts? Was Christ loving when He drove the money changers from the temple with whips? In all these cases we have to answer yes.

We think of love as hugs and kisses. Don't tell a homosexual that he's living in sin otherwise he'll think we're extreme and he'll be turned off to the gospel. This is a warp sense of what love is and the power of God. To understand love you have to look at Christ in His entirety. Our Lord never mince words.

And, just for the record, there are very few, if any of us including myself who truly understand what love is. Even Christ's disciples often encounter completely different reactions to things they did or said. You could look no farther than Peter. But its a cop out for us to think we're very loving when we fail to speak the truth.

Christians who tell other people that God loves the sinner but hates the sin do not understand that God's goal is to change the sinner to be like Himself. He is not interested in ignoring our sinful state. People, like homosexuals, are not meant to stay in their same sinful state any more than a robber or adulterous would stay in their same state of sin. If they do, then they are not saved. And we do them no favors to tell them otherwise.

God is real. Heaven is real. People need to repent of their sin and ask our Lord Jesus to cleanse them of their sins. People need to understand these facts and repent so they can know God in a personal and real sense. He doesn't promises roses-only persecution. But He'll walk with us on our journey.

110 posted on 05/23/2012 5:28:25 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD

Christians who tell other people that God loves the sinner but hates the sin do not understand that God’s goal is to change the sinner to be like Himself. He is not interested in ignoring our sinful state.


Well said.


111 posted on 05/23/2012 5:31:22 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( (Lord, save me from some conservatives, they don't understand history any better than liberals.))
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To: HarleyD
Nothing contradicts.

Nonsense. You've been contradicting yourself throughout the thread.

People have a warp sense of what love is.

Correct. You included. Some folks (you included) seem to think that "love" and "being nice" are the same thing. Upthread, I explicitly reject that silly notion.

Was Christ loving when he xxxxx

Of course he was, as you correctly note. Christ is God, and God is Love.

We think of love as hugs and kisses.

Who's "we", Kemosabe? I explicitly rejected that idiocy upthread. If you didn't read the whole thread, including my comments to folks other than you, I suggest you correct that omission.

Don't tell a homosexual that he's living in sin otherwise he'll think we're extreme and he'll be turned off to the gospel. This is a warp sense of what love is and the power of God.

As I have said many times, including on this thread, and in comments directed to you (among others). Glad to see you agreeing.

And, just for the record, there are very few, if any of us including myself who truly understand what love is.

In so far as God is Love, NONE of us truly understand it. How could we? We cannot understand the infinite.

Christians who tell other people that God loves the sinner but hates the sin do not understand that God's goal is to change the sinner to be like Himself. He is not interested in ignoring our sinful state.

There you go again. If God did not love the sinner (perish the thought!) God would not offer the sinner the grace of repentance and conversion. That God demands repentance AND offers the grace necessary to do it PROVES that God loves the sinner.

People, like homosexuals, are not meant to stay in their same sinful state any more than a robber or adulterous would stay in their same state of sin. If they do, then they are not saved. And we do them no favors to tell them otherwise.

Now you're back on track. Reproving their sin is precisely an act of love for the sinner. If we were to hate the sinner, we would leave him to pursue his sins all the way to Hell.

God is real. Heaven is real. People need to repent of their sin and ask our Lord Jesus to cleanse them of their sins. People need to understand these facts and repent so they can know God in a personal and real sense. He doesn't promises roses-only persecution. But He'll walk with us on our journey.

Well said (at last).

112 posted on 05/23/2012 7:37:15 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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