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To: Yashcheritsiy

I’m sorry but the BS about Romney didn’t have to obey the Mass. Supreme Court is tortured revisionist history. It’s not being an “apologist” to recognize that Romney tried a variety of tactics to avoid legalizing same sex marriage. It’s just inaccurate to take a person who opposed gay marriage and claim with legalese that none of that matters.

He didn’t support same sex marriage and he doesn’t support it today. Obama does.

Obama’s socialist model is a lot more evil than Mitt Romney. Try Alinsky, Wright, and Ayers for starters.


3 posted on 05/22/2012 4:33:45 PM PDT by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way)
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To: Andrei Bulba

Lying about Romney is the highest calling for some around these parts.

They use ping lists so that they never have to lie alone.


5 posted on 05/22/2012 4:36:22 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Andrei Bulba
You are disingenuous for Bishop Romney.

ROMNEYBOTS LIKE YOU ARE PROUD OF ROMNEY
AFTER ALL, ROMNEY IS SOLE AUTHOR OF BOTH GAY MARRIAGE AND ROMNEYCARE

Romney imposed gay marriage by his fiat against the Mass. Constitution by using improper executive authority.

"Experts: Credit Romney for homosexual marriage"
"What he (Governor Bishop Mitt Romney) did was exercise illegal legislative authority'

"While former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney claims he did everything possible to throttle homosexual marriage in his state – his campaign now saying he took "every conceivable step within the law to defend traditional marriage" – several constitutional experts say that just isn't so.

"What Romney did [was] he exercised illegal legislative authority," Herb Titus said of the governor's actions after the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court released its opinion in the Goodridge case in 2003. "He was bound by what? There was no order. There wasn't even any order to the Department of Public Health to do anything."

Titus, a Harvard law graduate, was founding dean of Pat Robertson's Regent University Law School. He also worked with former Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore, ...

Romney's aides have told WND that after four of the seven court members reinterpreted the definition of marriage, he believed he had no choice but to direct clerks and others to change state marriage forms and begin registering same-sex couples.

Some opponents contend that with those actions, Romney did no more or less than create the first homosexual marriages recognized in the nation. And Titus agrees."

"....But the court's decision conflicts with the constitutional philosophy of three co-equal branches of government: executive, legislative and judicial, Titus said. It also violates with the Massachusetts Constitution, which states: "The power of suspending the laws, or (suspending) the execution of the laws, ought never to be exercised but by the legislature..."

And it cannot even be derived from the opinion itself, asserts the pro-family activist group Mass Resistance, which says the decision did four things:

* First, it acknowledged that the current law does not permit same-sex marriage.

"The only reasonable explanation is that the Legislature did not intend that same-sex couples be licensed to marry. We conclude, as did the judge, that G.L. c. 207 may not be construed to permit same-sex couples to marry."

* Second, it said it is NOT striking down the marriage laws (among other things, the Massachusetts Constitution forbids a court to change laws)

"Here, no one argues that striking down the marriage laws is an appropriate form of relief."

* Third, it declared that not allowing same-sex marriages is a violation of the Massachusetts Constitution.

"We declare that barring an individual from the protections, benefits, and obligations of civil marriage solely because that person would marry a person of the same sex violates the Massachusetts Constitution."

* And fourth, given that the court is not changing any laws, the SJC gave the Legislature 180 days to "take such action as it may deem appropriate."

"We vacate the summary judgment for the department. We remand this case to the Superior Court for entry of judgment consistent with this opinion. Entry of judgment shall be stayed for 180 days to permit the Legislature to take such action as it may deem appropriate in light of this opinion."

After the Legislature did nothing during the 180 days, Romney then took action "on his own," the group said.

"Gov. Romney's legal counsel issued a directive to the Justices of the Peace that they must perform same-sex marriages when requested or 'face personal liability' or be fired," the group said."

8 posted on 05/22/2012 4:40:33 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Andrei Bulba
He didn’t support same sex marriage and he doesn’t support it today.


Other than that whole ignoring both the legislative and judicial branches and implementing gay marriage by executive order thing.

But other than that Mitt Romneycare never advocated gay marriage.

18 posted on 05/22/2012 5:32:53 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Andrei Bulba; rogue yam; Yashcheritsiy; 2ndDivisionVet; Deb; Diogenesis
HARRISBURG, PA, January 19, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) – A letter addressed to Massachusetts’ ex-governor Mitt Romney has just been made public in which 44 conservative, pro-family leaders from across the nation requested that before stepping down from office, Romney would adhere to the Massachusetts Constitution and repeal his order directing public officials to perform ‘same-sex marriages’.

The letter was hand delivered to members of Romney’s staff on December 20th, 2006 at his office. Romney took no action to adhere to the letter’s requests before he left office at the beginning of the New Year.

The letter cited numerous, historical cases and the Massachusetts’ Constitution to assert that Romney’s actions in implementing ‘gay marriage’ were beyond the bounds of his authority as governor. The authors further asserted that his actions were unconstitutional as were the actions of the four initial judges who formulated the official opinion on the matter in the ‘Goodridge’ case, the case that originally brought the matter to national attention.

Commenting on the ‘Goodridge’ opinion, Judge Robert Bork said that it was “untethered to either the Massachusetts or United States Constitution.”

As quoted in the letter, the MA Constitution denies the judicial branch of its government any authority over the state’s marriage policies. So it was that three of the seven judges that heard the Goodrich case strongly dissented that the court did not have authority to formulate laws.

The letter also outlined how the MA Constitution forbids judges from establishing or altering law. According to the Constitution, such a task is to be left to the legislature. The judges’ opinion in the Goodrich case admitted that they were not altering the standing marriage statute in MA.

Instead, Governor Romney took it upon himself, despite legal counsel to do otherwise, to order officials across the state that they would have to perform ‘gay marriages’, even though, according to Massachusetts law, to do so is a crime. Officials who refused were advised to resign their position.

19 posted on 05/22/2012 5:37:14 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: Andrei Bulba
Obama’s socialist model is a lot more evil than Mitt Romney. Try Alinsky, Wright, and Ayers for starters.

Alinksy, the guy that Romney's dad was impressed by?

Look, Obama's model and Romney's model are both evil. If you support or vote for either one of them, you're supporting evil. You can sprinkle whipped cream on a cow pie and tell us we ought to try a bite, but it's still a cow pie at the end of the day, and most of us are going to avoid it.
26 posted on 05/22/2012 6:14:26 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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