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I have met Don Kates. He is a deep thinker on the Constitution and gun control. His book, Restricting Handguns: The Liberal Skeptics Speak Out, was seminal in changing the debate on gun control.
1 posted on 05/26/2012 4:43:16 AM PDT by marktwain
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"it is a ``fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen.''

Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. Ct. of Ap., 1981). "


2 posted on 05/26/2012 5:02:09 AM PDT by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; one box left.)
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There is only one question here. Did Zimmerman have the opportunity to retreat and avoid serious injury or possible death once Martin was on top of him beating his head on the ground? If the answer to that question is “no”, there is no crime here.

By the way, the answer to that question is “no”.


3 posted on 05/26/2012 5:04:33 AM PDT by Haiku Guy ("The problem with Internet Quotes is that you never know if they are real" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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The police will always be there in time to draw the chalk line around your dead body.

YOU, and only you, are responsible for your own defense.

4 posted on 05/26/2012 5:16:05 AM PDT by evad (STOP SPENDING, STOP SPENDING, STOP SPENDING. It's the SPENDING Stupid)
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In many more cases the police arrive AFTER the crime has occurred and literally chase down the criminal.

....unless the crime occurs at a Dunkin Donuts!


5 posted on 05/26/2012 5:17:14 AM PDT by Recon Dad (Gas & Petroleum Junkie)
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I've been wondering what the heck “stand your ground” had to do with this situation. It seems to be liberal MSM talking points rather than anything germane to this situation.
8 posted on 05/26/2012 6:09:17 AM PDT by Poser (Cogito ergo Spam - I think, therefore I ham)
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BTTT


11 posted on 05/26/2012 6:32:37 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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But how else are they gonna justify looting flat screens and sneakers?


12 posted on 05/26/2012 6:33:09 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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Sorry, the real central issues not being discussed by the media are

(1) How the attorneys of the Marin family are trying to set up the situation to maximize their chance of a civil lawsuit Loto-like payment.

(2) How this simple incident fit into desired anti-gun and pro-class warfare agendas of political leaders of the Democratic party during an election year.

14 posted on 05/26/2012 6:44:27 AM PDT by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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