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Education Decline, One Step at a Time ( Government School driving over the cliff)
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/05/education_decline_one_step_at_a_time.html ^ | May 23, 2012 | Richard Miniter

Posted on 05/27/2012 12:05:31 PM PDT by wintertime

Some time ago, I joined the National Council for the Social Studies, the NCSS. I've since had that membership canceled -- I suspect because they read some of my pieces and realize I'm neither a social studies teacher nor a groupie. However, thanks to that fleeting association, I remain on several NCSS e-mailing lists, and every so often something very interesting drops into my laptop.

The occasion was that the New York State Board of Regents (the body which oversees public school curricula) had scheduled discussion on "Alternative Pathways To Graduation." "Alternative to what?" one might in innocence ask -- "learning something?" But let's not get ahead of ourselves. What the e-mail intended to do was encourage members of the NCSS to contact the Board of Regents and let them hear "SMART ARGUMENTS to make it clear the concerns we have about the FUTURE OF NEW YORK STUDENTS and the FUTURE OF NEW YORK STATE EDUCATION."

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: arth; education; publicschools; sourcetitlenoturl
If all government socialist-entitlement K-12 schooling were to close this morning, the **same** kids who are getting an education today would get one tomorrow. The **same** children who are not getting an education would not get one tomorrow. Why?

Reason: Because if you know an academically successful child, that child has has **tons** of afterschooling or homeschooling!

Personally, I have never met a single exception. In fact, of the academically successful children both sets of children ( home and institutionalized) are spending about the same amount of time ( in their home) on their academic studies and activities. There is little difference except that the institutionalized child is exhausted.

Some government school defender is very likely to show up with the objection that my observations are anecdotal. Ok...So?...Where are the studies that prove children learn anything in school? Answer: There aren't any! NONE at all! We do **not** know how much a child learns in the home due to the efforts of the parents and the child and/or tutoring as compared to what is learned in the classroom. The colleges of education have **never** done these studies.

Imagine that! We spent up to a quarter of a million dollars on 13 years of government schooling per child and we have built an enormous institutional monstrosity based on a 19th century Prussian military model and we do NOT know if it works!!!!

Parents! If you send your child to a government socialist-entitlement K-12 school be prepared for **lots** of work on your part spent in afterschooling. And...Please remember that if you send your child to a godless government school he will learn to think and reason godlessly. How could it be otherwise? He must just to cooperate in the classroom.

Parents! If you send your children to government owned and run socialist-entitlement schools he will also risk becoming comfortable with socialism. Both smart and dumb kids risk learning that any government and voting mob powerful enough to give them tuition-free. socialist-entitlement. and single-payer schooling is also powerful enough to give them **lots** of socialist goodies.

1 posted on 05/27/2012 12:05:42 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: metmom; little jeremiah; JenB; Clintonfatigued; Westbrook
Another Reason to Homeschool

Another Reason to work for the abolition of government socialist-entitlement and single-payer K-12 schooling.

2 posted on 05/27/2012 12:07:52 PM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: wintertime
Sadly, not only do we spent billions on a Prussian-model system of education that we do not know works, parents burden themselves with high mortgages and long commutes seeking so-called “good” schools.

There are NO studies proving whether or not so-called “good” schools are good or not. These so-called “good” schools may have high test scores due to the considerable afterschooling done by the parents and the child himself IN THE HOME. Afterschooling has **never** be measured!

It is staggering to think of the market distortion, the misapplication of billions of dollars, the environmental destruction, the waste of time and creativity spent in long traveling distance to work, and the overall exhaustion of parents in an attempt to find “good” schools that may not be “good” or effective in any manner. It could be that these so-called “good” schools are merely sending home a curriculum and the parents and children are doing an outstanding job of afterschooling. .

3 posted on 05/27/2012 12:11:06 PM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: wintertime

Seperation of school and state is a good way to put it.

IMHO, public schools should be like public housing, a means of last resort. With the current advances in technology, there is no need to build expensive schools when courses can be taken online. In a free market system, private schools could compete with each other for parents’ business, which would hold down costs, while parents would have the option of shopping for the best-suited product. Taxpayers would save a bundle.


4 posted on 05/27/2012 12:17:25 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Obama and Company lied, the American economy died)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Excellent suggestion...


5 posted on 05/27/2012 12:19:50 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: wintertime

“””Imagine that! We spent up to a quarter of a million dollars on 13 years of government schooling per child and we have built an enormous institutional monstrosity based on a 19th century Prussian military model and we do NOT know if it works!!!!”””


We are in a “non-wealthy” Florida county. We spend in excess of $15,000 per pupil per year. We have four high schools with a “D” average on the FCAT (Florida Standardized Tests). This represents over 6,000 kids are not qualified to flip burgers.

Except for the Tea Party activists in our county, most of the voters (both Republican and Democrat) seem not to care.

Uneducated kids is a nationwide disease!!!!


6 posted on 05/27/2012 12:26:13 PM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: wintertime
I want to emphasize your observation that academic success depends on the effort by the student to learn.
Several times in my K-12 schooling, I realized that I already knew the lesson being taught, so I just paged ahead in the book and self-taught.

I didn't this was unusual at the time. I was the oldest of 5 children and was expected to be responsible, so mom could pay more attention to the younger ones. When I was in elementary school, I was in classrooms of 60+ students, so I expected the teacher to pay attention to the ones who were having trouble learning, not to me.

7 posted on 05/27/2012 12:28:43 PM PDT by mason-dixon (As Mason said to Dixon, you have to draw the line somewhere.)
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To: wintertime
This is no accident. It was planned and executed in a precise manner by the liberal "boomers". How may laws and/or regulations have been passed under the cover of "It's for the [fill in your favorite cause du jour here; idea of fairness; the elderly; women; minorities; children; the environment; the middle class]..." or, on the flip side, "It's against [again, fill in the blank; the evil rich; the evil corporations[s]; human decency; causing offense; hate speech [formerly known as either 'facts' or 'opinions, not crimes]...

We've been working at it for close to fifty years now, and the changes were mostly so incremental and the surface justifications so emotional that one just couldn't "Let the [FITB] get kicked out in the street" or "the [FITB] suffer.

Something new? I think not.


8 posted on 05/27/2012 12:31:58 PM PDT by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; one box left.)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

$15,000 per pupil per year.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

It is likely **double** that amount! Government socialist-entitlement schools have accounting practices that would make an Enron accountant blush.

For example: In my state retired teachers and school employees are merely counted as retired state workers. Their pensions and health care costs are **NOT** considered a school expense! ( UNBELIEVABLE! but true.) Also, our county schools use many services that are NOT counted as school expenses, for instance, police services in the school, lawn care, traffic management during school events, some legal work, etc.

More is spent on government socialist-entitlement K-12 schooling each year ( national, state, and local) than is spent on the military. That’s a LOT of money and an enormous drag on the economy and creativity of our nation.


9 posted on 05/27/2012 12:56:00 PM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter
Uneducated kids is a nationwide disease!!!!

And uneducated parents are the carriers.

10 posted on 05/27/2012 1:43:56 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: wintertime; Gabz; SoftballMominVA
-Do you think a REAL conservative would leave off the fact that her "Genius" children attended public school on and off when it was convenient for her?

-Do you think a REAL conservative would leave off the fact that her "Genius" children attended Community and state colleges which are "public institutions"?

-Do you think a REAL conservative would leave off the fact that her "Genius" children have sent there own children to public and parochial schools?

I am again offering you a list of students that you can take in under your wing and show me and the rest of the world just how well your theories work.

All I expect back from you is the usual canned responses including accusing me of "Alinsky tactics."

BTW There are still several questions open that you refused to answer on this thread

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2879390/posts?page=115#115

I also noticed that you seem to have removed me from your ping list. Why is this? Don't you wish to have the otehr side of the story out in the open? Are you afraid to engae in real debate?

If you please put me back on your ping list.

11 posted on 05/27/2012 1:55:14 PM PDT by verga (Party like it is 1773)
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To: verga
Shhh....don't get so concerned about facts. Just keep your eye on the shiny object...it's so hypnotizing...
12 posted on 05/27/2012 2:09:09 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: SoftballMominVA; verga

ROFLMSS!!!!!!! Too funny :-)


13 posted on 05/27/2012 2:15:27 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: verga
There you go again, trying to discredit the message by smearing the messenger.
Verga, if the Devil himself is speaking truth it is still TRUTH!

By the way...I fully trust that professional government teachers, especially those with newly minted masters degrees, would NEVER use the Alinsky debating strategy of discrediting the messenger in an attempt to discredit the message. No, no! A profession government teacher would NEVER do this to an emotionally undeveloped student in a position of inferior power.

( NO sarcasm tag. I really do mean it. Seriously. A professional government teacher would NEVER do this.)

14 posted on 05/27/2012 3:06:06 PM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion mill.)
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To: verga; Gabz

Have you considered offering your services as a psychic? I’m starting to regret the thousands of dollars I spent with Miss Cleo, maybe I should switch to you?


15 posted on 05/27/2012 3:33:44 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: wintertime; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; AccountantMom; Aggie Mama; agrace; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. This can occasionally be a fairly high volume list. Articles pinged to the Another Reason to Homeschool List will be given the keyword of ARTH. (If I remember. If I forget, please feel free to add it yourself)

The main Homeschool Ping List handles the homeschool-specific articles. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping list. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added to or removed from either list, or both.

16 posted on 05/27/2012 4:05:51 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: SoftballMominVA

We have to be honest. Public schools are turning out kids that are lost, needy and not capable of performing the most menial of jobs without expensive supervision. I know some of you are teachers and send your children to “fantastic” public school but taxpayer should not have to continue this failed experiment based on your anecdotal information. Just spend an afternoon reading the twitter accounts of the public school honor students and you will weep for the lost potential. Just a bit tired of repeating...”there are good teachers” Good teachers working within a failed system are not good teachers...just teachers who are hanging on to pensions and $10 a month health plans


17 posted on 05/27/2012 4:45:56 PM PDT by happyhomemaker (That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children)
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Real conservatives welcome homeshcoolers, Parochial schools, private schools and charter schools.We are also opposed to posers who sit in front of a computer pretending to know some thing based on an isolated incident that they themselves incited and them blaming the whole system.

They whine but do nothing to fix it.

18 posted on 05/27/2012 5:15:43 PM PDT by verga (Party like it is 1773)
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To: wintertime
Sweety I don't have to do anything to discredit you, you do that every single time you go off on one of your cute little rants.

BTW still wondering why you took me off your ping list, why won't you answer that question?

19 posted on 05/27/2012 5:17:53 PM PDT by verga (Party like it is 1773)
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To: verga
Government schooling is a socialist-entitlement, single-payer, compulsory-funded, compulsory-use program for all those whose parents can not ransom them, and they are godless. They can not be religiously neutral because no education can be neutral.

Government schools are a First Amendment and freedom of conscience abomination.

None of this can be fixed. It is a failed system because it is built upon a foundation socialist compulsion.

As “happyhomemaker”so aptly stated, “Good teachers who are working in a failed system are not good teachers...just teachers who are hanging on to pensions and $10 a month health plans.”

Personally,....I consider government schooling to be evil to the core. I will not aid and abet evil. I am doing everything that I can to work toward complete separation of school and state. This is the best, most efficient, and effective way to help children.

20 posted on 05/27/2012 7:44:12 PM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion mill.)
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To: happyhomemaker

I forgot to ping you to post #20. I quote you.


21 posted on 05/27/2012 7:45:29 PM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion mill.)
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To: wintertime
Sweety are you going to put me back on your ping list or not.

I realize that you can't really stand the heat, but you did say one time that you liked the debate, did that change?

22 posted on 05/28/2012 3:21:20 AM PDT by verga (Party like it is 1773)
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To: happyhomemaker
just teachers who are hanging on to pensions and $10 a month health plans

Once again I keep wondering where these great jobs are - probably in places I wouldn't live - but my pension will be laughable and my health insurance for my husband and me would cost over $300 a month.

I'd probably have to move to a union state and I can't do that, not for just money. KnowwhatImean?

23 posted on 05/28/2012 4:50:09 AM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: verga
Real conservatives welcome homeschoolers, Parochial schools, private schools and charter schools.We are also opposed to posers who sit in front of a computer pretending to know some thing based on an isolated incident that they themselves incited and them blaming the whole system. They whine but do nothing to fix it.

100% agree. I got nothing but mad love for folks who set aside their lives to teach their kids at home and those that sacrifce to pay for a private school. I promise you, it is worth it.

For the others who can't for whatever reason, I'm there in my classroom doing my best to treat your child the way you would want them treated - with respect, firmness, and love.

That's just how I roll.

24 posted on 05/28/2012 4:53:49 AM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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