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Of new U.S. veterans, almost half seek disability aid
AP ^ | 5-27-12 | Marilynn Marchione

Posted on 05/27/2012 2:36:53 PM PDT by TurboZamboni

America's newest veterans are filing for disability benefits at a historic rate, claiming to be the most medically and mentally troubled generation of former troops the nation has ever seen.

A staggering 45 percent of the 1.6 million veterans from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are now seeking compensation for injuries they say are service-related. That is more than double the estimate of 21 percent who filed such claims after the Gulf War in the early 1990s, top government officials said.

What's more, these new veterans are claiming eight to nine ailments on average, and the most recent ones over the last year are claiming 11 to 14. By comparison, Vietnam veterans are currently receiving compensation for fewer than four, on average, and those from World War II and Korea, just two.

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Just over half of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans eligible for VA care have used it so far.

Of those who have sought VA care:

--More than 1,600 of them lost a limb; many others lost fingers or toes.

--At least 156 are blind, and thousands of others have impaired vision.

--More than 177,000 have hearing loss, and more than 350,000 report tinnitus -- noise or ringing in the ears.

--Thousands are disfigured, as many as 200 of them so badly that they may need face transplants. One-quarter of battlefield injuries requiring evacuation included wounds to the face or jaw, one study found.


1 posted on 05/27/2012 2:37:01 PM PDT by TurboZamboni
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To: TurboZamboni

for later


2 posted on 05/27/2012 2:54:41 PM PDT by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: TurboZamboni

I believe it.

Sadly with so many of our military men and women, including National Guard and Reserves being sent by our Government to active combat zones on multiple tours it is very understandable.


3 posted on 05/27/2012 2:56:50 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: TurboZamboni

Huh. I have had ringing in my ears ever since I left the service at the tail end of the Vietnam conflict. Never thought to file for disability.

And still won’t.

One of my friends was part of a tank crew and is really screwed up both physically and mentally. Him I understand. Still uses a cane and wakes up screaming almost every night.

I walk around with a nice scar on my left shoulder from being shot. Looks ugly so i don’t go shirtless or wear a tank top. When i did, i was asked too many questions. After a while, you really don’t want to talk about it.

And I am in DC for Rolling Thunder!


4 posted on 05/27/2012 2:58:14 PM PDT by whitedog57
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To: TurboZamboni

The hearing loss and tinitus is mostly a BS ailment. I wonder how much they get. The rest listed are certainly valid and we, the people, should pony up to take care of our military once they deros.


5 posted on 05/27/2012 2:58:21 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: SgtHooper
The hearing loss and tinitus is mostly a BS ailment.

Really? I guarantee my hearing loss came from the military. Do I collect benefits for it? No. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
6 posted on 05/27/2012 3:02:24 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: TurboZamboni

They may be being encouraged to file for disability. Then they don’t have to count you as unemployed.


7 posted on 05/27/2012 3:03:45 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

When I retired, we had an outbrief from some VA drone. He practically begged us to get a VA physical and apply for disability benefits. Even if you DIDN’T THINK anything was wrong with you.


8 posted on 05/27/2012 3:06:44 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: SgtHooper

I will ditto tailback on this one. My ears ring all the time. It’s from military service. It’s fine with background noise, but loud as he’ll going to sleep. I can cope by using a “squirrel cage” fan which is very loud. I have not filed for disability but my hearing is deteriorating at middle 40’s.

I won’t try to file until I need hearing aids.


9 posted on 05/27/2012 3:08:31 PM PDT by DariusBane (People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
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To: SgtHooper
10% max for tinnitus-both ears and constant.

Audiology exams difficult to fake nowadays.

10 posted on 05/27/2012 3:10:55 PM PDT by donozark (The secret to winning the Vietnam War was in Laos, not Vietnam...)
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To: TurboZamboni

I’ve got hearing loss in both ears, with a 70dB threshold at 6,000Hz. Never thought about the disability angle.


11 posted on 05/27/2012 3:14:14 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (Never Again! Except for the next time.)
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To: SgtHooper
So you personally reject medical imaging technology. A nonnegotiable requirement to spew position you just asserted.

Well don't be a hypocrite, punk. If you get cancer or a brain aneurysm you just go right ahead and tell them not to use those BS machines on you because you know for a fact the things they show aren't real.

You will have no problem doing that, because you weren't talking out your ass, right?

12 posted on 05/27/2012 3:14:33 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: DariusBane
If you wait to file until you need hearing aid, it may be too late...

Is the incident in which you lost partial hearing fully documented? If not, try proving it 20-30 years hence.

Here's a suggestion. Free. Take one of those no-cost hearing tests. They may be able to tell you what range of hearing loss you suffer from and give you some idea of what to do.

Hearing aids may run $5K-for a good one.

13 posted on 05/27/2012 3:15:42 PM PDT by donozark (The secret to winning the Vietnam War was in Laos, not Vietnam...)
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To: TurboZamboni
Multiple deployments and ridiculous ROE's that render our guys much more vulnerable - no surprise to me that they're filing VA disability claims at record pace.

They signed on the dotted line, stepped up to the plate, served in combat for the Nation, and were wounded by gunshot, RPG, and IED.

They earned it, they deserve it, and they should receive it. Get rid of some BS social programs that don't pass Constitutional muster anyway - channel those funds to pay benefits to our wounded Vets.





Nos genuflectitur ad non princeps sed Princeps Pacem!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

14 posted on 05/27/2012 3:16:24 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: donozark

It’s probably about the same amount of paperwork whether it’s 10% or 100%. The VA drone is there to generate paperwork. In Washington generating paperwork creates jobs.


15 posted on 05/27/2012 3:18:03 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: SgtHooper
I have hearing loss from jets (F-15s) and big guns. Doc on base found out I was going to take the 13 WPM Advanced morse code test (back in the day when that mattered) when I came in to find out what freq I couldn't hear. He offered to write me a waiver letter to the FCC.

I declined the letter, and had the test done in a frequency that I can hear.

An interesting side note is that my hearing loss is a nice notch filter that excludes shrill females and most whiney teenagers.

My grandchildren catch my eye to talk to me so I can read their lips.

/johnny

16 posted on 05/27/2012 3:18:08 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: whitedog57
And I am in DC for Rolling Thunder!

So was I. Wonder how many were there today? I think that at least three of the Pentagon parking lots got packed.

My hearing is blown as well. I'm not disabled- folks just need to stop mumbling and sound the F off. :-)

Never filed any claim either, that's just the breaks.

17 posted on 05/27/2012 3:18:46 PM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: SgtHooper

Husband has both and gets 0% for it and he had an anti-tank grenade nearly take off his head to be blunt. I think the hearing loss has to be pretty severe to get any kind of rating for it.


18 posted on 05/27/2012 3:20:19 PM PDT by rangerwife (Proud wife of a Purple Heart Recipient)
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To: donozark

I was diagnosed at 30 percent loss on exit. I think I can get the hearing aids paid for.


19 posted on 05/27/2012 3:22:05 PM PDT by DariusBane (People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
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To: tacticalogic

Very, very difficult to get 100%. Requires mountains of paperwork. Many exams. 10% for tinnitus is the max. One exam. One audiology exam. Reviewed by Regional office. Ruling issued.


20 posted on 05/27/2012 3:23:26 PM PDT by donozark (The secret to winning the Vietnam War was in Laos, not Vietnam...)
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To: Riley

Mumbles. LOL


21 posted on 05/27/2012 3:24:21 PM PDT by DariusBane (People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
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To: ConorMacNessa

Our troops make so many tours in combat now, I am amazed that so many make it out alive. Yeah, I have tinnitus and nerve deafness too. RVN 69-70.


22 posted on 05/27/2012 3:28:45 PM PDT by firebasecody (Orthodoxy, proclaiming the Truth since AD 33)
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To: DariusBane

I do not deny that it exists. But in this day and age, so much hearing degradation occurs from the music and never ending environmental noise before even entering the service. And it is NOT difficult to cheat the system on this one. Just sit there and do not respond. How hard is that! I have tinitus, and it was exacerbated to some extent during my stint in the army. We did not have noise protection gear when firing tanks or any arms. And of course, I did not claim it either. Yes, if a blast goes off closeby, get the disability. But waaaay too many and waaay too easy to claim.


23 posted on 05/27/2012 3:30:35 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: rangerwife

I would suggest he refile using a skilled VSO. And all the documentation he can come up with.


24 posted on 05/27/2012 3:31:54 PM PDT by donozark (The secret to winning the Vietnam War was in Laos, not Vietnam...)
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To: MrEdd

Eh!? Can’t hear ya Edd. Ears are ringin!


25 posted on 05/27/2012 3:37:30 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: DariusBane
I think I can get the hearing aids paid for.

Rethink that. If you get hearing aids, you have to listen to people. For important stuff, like morse code, you can get a cool DSP audio filter that can notch everything out but what you want to hear, and shift the frequency to something you can hear.

Mostly deaf isn't bad when you have family like mine. I'd never get hearing aids.

/johnny

26 posted on 05/27/2012 3:41:57 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: rbg81

Same thing here. I was told that after 25 years on the flight line, I was almost certain to get disability for hearing. I said, “Huh?” and left.

I have mild hearing loss, but I expected that with so much exposure to jet engines. The truth is, if they would let me fly again, I’d walk across broken glass to get there! How could I collect disability for that?

But the VA is pushing benefits, and their doctors aren’t all that honest, IMHO. If you are an administrator, and you want a bigger program, you need more people to need you...


27 posted on 05/27/2012 3:43:53 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (A conservative can't please a liberal unless he jumps in front of a bus or off of a cliff)
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To: SgtHooper

We had hearing protection. The “soft” plastic variety. Non of them fit my ear correctly. I use the foam stuff now (around diesel generators, electric motors etc) they work just fine. My issue earplugs always fell out!


28 posted on 05/27/2012 3:44:22 PM PDT by DariusBane (People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
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To: firebasecody
I have tinnitus as well - not receiving disability for it but that may change. I am receiving disability for PTSD and Prostate Cancer - Agent Orange, of course - 60% combined.

Had a Hell of time with my ap - applied online in May, 2009. When I finally followed up with VA they couldn't identify my claim - I filed the hard copy with them and finally got assigned to the Regional Office in Baltimore, MD. From then, it was still over 6 months before they called me in for examination.



Nos genuflectitur ad non princeps sed Princeps Pacem!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

29 posted on 05/27/2012 3:45:23 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: DariusBane

I do a lot of shooting. With pistols and rifles, muffs are OK, but for shotgun sports they interfere with gun mount. So I used disposable plugs for a long time. Finally they started to hurt because to get any kind of protection I had to screw them halfway into my brain.

I got some custom plugs professionally made a month ago. They block out just about everything and I can wear them for 6 hours without any discomfort. I went for maximum attenuation, but they also make them with filters or electronics to allow hearing speech, but still having protection.

I guarantee you’ll love them.


30 posted on 05/27/2012 3:52:27 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: donozark
Very, very difficult to get 100%. Requires mountains of paperwork. Many exams.

They like paperwork. They'll hire some affirmative action bureaucrat drones to take care of it. They count those as "jobs created".

31 posted on 05/27/2012 3:54:41 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Mr Rogers

You chose the warrior life because it is in your blood.

The long term trend I see for the military is that labor costs will eventually overwhelm us, and that the focus will become more female oriented and about quality of life issues, social issues etc.

A volunteer military naturally starts focusing on pay and benefits in time, and everyone starts seeing it as a career more along the lines of other government jobs.

We will get farther and farther away from the days when we could attract a semi-pro level athlete with an IQ of 140 and executive skills, and the courage of a hero for the Green Berets for $10,000.00 a year, as the females and homosexuals fill the officer corp and become Generals the budget focus will move more and more to the human element and their families, and their financial compensation in relation to the rest of the federal employees.

I don’t know if the military would ever unionize, but it will take on some of that type of lobbying unity.

We are at war now, but many of us know what happens and who gets all the power during long stretches of peace time. When the military and officer corp is 50% females, and we have all the liberalism of a teachers union spread among our ranks and officers, the military will lose it’s traditional atmosphere and warrior culture, and spirit of masculine sacrifice and emphasis on adventure over pay and personal well being and health.


32 posted on 05/27/2012 4:09:17 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Doctor 2Brains
Sounds like too many ‘veterans” are following the lead of the Liar-in-Chief -— scamming the USA into the grounds

These statistics sound like a crock of BS

33 posted on 05/27/2012 4:15:22 PM PDT by texican01
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To: ansel12

All too probable. I was surprised at the recent polls now on how they may vote, if accurate. But the body of Christ must be the real focus, and security found in Him.


34 posted on 05/27/2012 4:23:10 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a damned+morally destitute sinner,+trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: TurboZamboni

If those Veterans have need for Medical Support they should get it.They Earned that support through their Honorable service to this country.Unlike a lot of clowns in the United States Congress and Senate.

Also Put these Veterans way ahead of the illegal Alians who are here suck off of Uncle Same Health care dollars.As I said they Earned it.


35 posted on 05/27/2012 4:23:29 PM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: SgtHooper

The hearing loss and tinitus is mostly a BS ailment. I wonder how much they get. The rest listed are certainly valid and we, the people, should pony up to take care of our military once they deros

Have you ever had an explosion go off next to you?I can almost gaurantee you have never been in a position to have something like that happen.

Hearing Loss is Not a BS ailment.


36 posted on 05/27/2012 4:27:21 PM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: ansel12
It is not rocket science to return to most troops serving one to three tours out of a sense of duty and then retiring.

A lot of people predicted that we would get to this point under HW Bush when the bulk of the military moved from open squad bays to dormitory style quarters.

Go back to sixty man rooms (living out of two seabags and a footlocker) and the bulk of the troops will leave before retirement or acquiring injuries that take an extended exposure.

37 posted on 05/27/2012 4:38:50 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: SgtHooper

You are one sick jerk...


38 posted on 05/27/2012 4:39:31 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Tailback

Will the VA pay for hearing aid? They should


39 posted on 05/27/2012 4:51:00 PM PDT by ncpatriot
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To: ncpatriot

Yes. The VA will pay for hearing air if hearing loss service connected.Or in the case of extremely indigent. Or 100% for other injuries/disabilities. Less even on occasion.


40 posted on 05/27/2012 5:05:08 PM PDT by donozark (The secret to winning the Vietnam War was in Laos, not Vietnam...)
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To: ConorMacNessa
My I suggest you use a VSO? Going to court with out an attorney is foolhardy. And in essence, when you go up against the VA, you are in an adversarial situation. They (VA) will deny that of course.

And one must pick and choose their VSO carefully. It is not a one size fits all thingy. Word of mouth. Phone calls/emails, etc. Local veterans boards online. It is worth the trouble, upfront.

41 posted on 05/27/2012 5:12:25 PM PDT by donozark (The secret to winning the Vietnam War was in Laos, not Vietnam...)
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To: ansel12

I fear you are right. When women and homosexuals get together, the peacetime military will be unbearable for anyone of spirit.


42 posted on 05/27/2012 5:23:46 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (A conservative can't please a liberal unless he jumps in front of a bus or off of a cliff)
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To: donozark
Thanks for the advice, Donozark. As fate would have it, I am an attorney, although I haven't practiced for the last ten years or so. If I do end up in a scuffle with the VA, one of my friends, a Vietnam Vet who is also an attorney, has said he would assist me.

To be quite frank, I'm not sure I could establish service connection for the tinnitus. My company was set in providing security to an artillery battery for a while. Those guns make a lot of noise when you're up close to them and we were not issued ear protection.



Nos genuflectitur ad non princeps sed Princeps Pacem!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

43 posted on 05/27/2012 5:26:22 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
I use disposable earplugs and muffs at the ranges. I do actually want to protect what little hearing I have left.

At the last family reunion, down at the range, both an uncle, and my brother asked why I bother with hearing protection.

I explained that it was good practice, a good example for the young people, and I had a QSO later that night using CW. I could use a computer for CW, but I prefer to hear it for myself.

I'm not interested in making anyone else pay for that personal preference.

My alleged disability, even in the service of my country, doesn't obligate other people.

/johnny

44 posted on 05/27/2012 5:31:29 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: ConorMacNessa
Establishing etiology is never an easy thing. However, being in one of the combat arms with an MOS reflecting same, makes it easier.

Many vets may have had minimal problem with their service connected tinnitus until later in life. Many medications (Beta-blockers in particular) raise hell with tinnitus. What may have been mere "water running" now sounds like Niagara Falls.

Good luck!

45 posted on 05/27/2012 5:38:49 PM PDT by donozark (One in four Confederate Soldiers who fell at Gettysburg came from North Carolina.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Hubby had his left ear halfway blown off in Vietnam and is about 50% deaf in that ear. I don’t know if he is ignoring us or really can’t hear us but he leaves us alone and stays in his own world. Lol
Oh yeah, and he has never filed for any disability.


46 posted on 05/27/2012 5:39:01 PM PDT by sheana
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To: sheana
Hearing loss can be a good thing. ;)

Give him a hug, thank him for his service and tell him it's from an old AF TSgt.

Any ass-grabbing is on your own dime.

/johnny

47 posted on 05/27/2012 5:43:36 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

I have a set of electronic ear muffs but I don’t like them for the reasons you give. I have seen the in-ear attenuators and enhancers. I am eager to try a set.


48 posted on 05/27/2012 5:59:13 PM PDT by DariusBane (People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
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To: SgtHooper

Two old timers are sitting on a bench outside the VA.

The first says, “What’s new?”

“Oh, I got this fantastic new hearing aid at the VA! It’s the latest technology, the doc said no expense was spared since nothing is too good for our veterans!”

“Gosh, that’s wonderful!” the first one says. “What kind is it?”

The second glances at his watch and says “It’s 1500!”


49 posted on 05/27/2012 5:59:41 PM PDT by M1911A1
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To: JRandomFreeper

I am married with three kids. Selective hearing is mandatory!


50 posted on 05/27/2012 6:03:46 PM PDT by DariusBane (People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
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