Obama, Rubio Birthers Should Read the Law

The Examiner Washington ^ | 05/24/2012 | Byron York

[circumbendibus]

Birtherism -- the belief that Barack Obama was born in Kenya, not in the United States -- pretty much died last year when the White House released a copy of the president's long-form birth certificate showing he was born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961. After that, the number of Americans who doubted Obama's place of birth dropped dramatically.

But not to zero. In recent days, there has been a mini-resurgence of birther talk, from Arizona, where the secretary of state questioned Obama's eligibility to be on the ballot, to Iowa, where some Republicans want to require presidential candidates to prove their eligibility for office.

The talk has gone beyond Obama, with some buzz on the Internet suggesting Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, a leading Republican vice presidential contender, is not a natural-born American citizen.

[New Jersey Realist]

I know about the case you talked about that made it to the Supreme Court led by Kerchner/Apuzzo.
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Right. That case was turned down by the Supremes. http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/10-446.htm

Mario admitted on his blog that he was chastized by the District Court.

Care to place a wager on this next one?

Don’t get me wrong I hope he does win but this bird will not fly.

[rawcatslyentist]

>"when the White House released a copy of the president's long-form birth certificate"

The author neglected to inform the readers the WH released a FRAUDULENT FORGERY of the president's long-form birth certificate

Even naked eyeballing the big numbers on the page show evidence of FORGERY!

[rawcatslyentist]

>"there was some talk in the media in 2008 questioning John McCain's eligibility "

What a coinkydink??? Myths daddy was born in Mexico.

Just what are the odds BOTH elections are fielded by ineligible candidates from BOTH parties?

Occam just nicked himself.

[melancholy]

0b0z0/Rubio Ping..............

[McGruff]

Birtherism — the belief that Barack Obama was born in Kenya, not in the United States — pretty much died last year when the White House released a copy of the president's long-form birth certificate

Byron,

You are way smarter than me but Show Me The CARFAX!

[KevinDavis]

His parents where American citizens at the time of birth..

[rawcatslyentist]

>"His parents where American citizens at the time of birth.."

Maybe article two needs amending.

If Joseph S gained citizenship, had offspring, then took them back to Russia for training, they would still be eligible.

NBC status needs to go back at least two generations to further prevent this from occurring.

[Lmo56]

ping

[bgill]

pretty much died last year when the White House released a copy of the president's long-form birth certificate

Hahahahaha, they wish.

[William Tell]

Obviously our Founders intended that it would be perfectly permissible for King George the III to impregnate a woman, just prior to that woman becoming a naturalized citizen of the recently formed United States, and the bastard son of the King of England would be eligible to be President.

If that fits the definition of "Natural Born Citizen" then it makes one wonder why they bothered, doesn't it?

[Rides3]

The decision argued at great length that WKA met the qualification for both NBC & 14th Amendment. In fact, the court said that the NBC clause and the 14th were using the exact same criteria for citizenship.

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Sorry, no. Even to this day, the U.S. Government does NOT necessarily consider a statutory citizen at birth to be a "natural born citizen" for Constitutional purposes.

"In any event, the fact that someone is a natural born citizen pursuant to a statute does not necessarily imply that he or she is such a citizen for Constitutional purposes."

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86757.pdf
Date of last modification: 04-08-2011

[New Jersey Realist]

I remember very distinctly when I was in the 4th grade (1954) our teacher (Miss Paolini) asked all of us in the class what state we were born in - most of us said N.J. and the rest said PA (Philadelphia, actually). She then said, after we had all answered, “this is very exciting because I wonder which one of you will be President of the United States when I retire.” We were all giggling. A few years later in civics class I never heard that the parents had to be citizens also because that would have sure stuck out like a sore thumb.

That proves a point that teachers plant seeds (some true, some false) and students grow up believing it. If she’d have said the two black kids in the class couldn’t be president I know for sure that would have stuck in my head also.

[New Jersey Realist]

Even if Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama had been birthed in the Lincoln Bedroom of the White House Obama is NOT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.
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The only way that could be a true statement is if the parents were foreign diplomats.

[New Jersey Realist]

SCOTUS has already done its job in the case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark.

"Most importantly, Arizona courts are bound by United States Supreme Court precedent in construing the United States Constitution,Arizona v. Jay J. Garfield Bldg. Co., 39 Ariz. 45, 54, 3 P.2d 983, 986(1931), and this precedent fully supports that President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitution and thus qualified to hold the office of President.

See United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 702-03(1898) (addressing U. S. Const. amend. XIV);

Ankeny v. Governor of the State of Indiana, 916 N.E.2d 678,684-88 (Ind. App. 2010) (addressing the precise issue).

Contrary to Plaintiff’s assertion, Minor v. Happersett ,88 U.S. 162 (1874), does not hold otherwise.

Source: http://www.scribd.com/doc/84531299/AZ-2012-03-07-Allen-v-Obama-C20121317-ORDER-Dismissing-Complaint

[Rides3]

The only way that could be a true statement is if the parents were foreign diplomats.

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No. Here are Trumbull's (Chairman, Senate Judiciary Committee) own words on what both the Civil Rights Act of 1866 and the 14th Amendment's citizenship clause both mean, stated to Congress when the Senate Judiciary Committee was crafting the 14th Amendment:

"What do we mean by ‘subject to the jurisdiction of the United States?’ Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means"

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llcg&fileName=073/llcg073.db&recNum=14

Obama was admittedly (on DNC's "Fight the Smears" website) born a Brit via his father. Barack Obama owed allegiance to a foreign sovereign at birth.

[Rides3]

To read about the Senate Judiciary Committee's and Trumbull's role in the drafting of the 14th Amendment, scroll down to 'Amendments to the Constitution,' here:
http://www.judiciary.senate.gov/about/history/index.cfm

[New Jersey Realist]

Obviously our Founders intended that it would be perfectly permissible for King George the III to impregnate a woman, just prior to that woman becoming a naturalized citizen of the recently formed United States, and the bastard son of the King of England would be eligible to be President.
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That is exactly how they wrote it and indeed, George’s child would have been eligible to become President - after living in the U.S. for 14 years.

So that kid could have gone back to England, return to the U.S. at age 50, then at age 64 run for president. I’m sure the kid would have divided loyalties indeed, but still eligible to lead this country.

The way I see it the framers WERE NOT afraid of divided loyalty since birth meant allegience. They threw in the MUST BE BORN ON US SOIL as a way to placate John Jay but keep in mind that many patriots that automatically became U.S. citizens on July 4th, 1776 were not born in the U.S. but their patriotism had to be rewarded.

[Political Junkie Too]

Rats! Do you know why it was pulled? I thought it was a good thread. A lot of retread arguments, but still a good thread. York needed to be schooled, and he was in the original thread in a way that can't be repeated in a repost.

I hope it wasn't because pulled because of degenerating into personal attacks. I'd hate to see an emerging tactic of using personal attacks to cause a thread with losing arguments to be pulled.

I'm not accusing you, Mr Rogers. I'm just wondering what would have caused that thread to be deleted. Deleting the thread just causes it to be posted again, which is a big waste of time.

Can the moderators put it back and just remove the offending posts?

-PJ

[Rides3]

You’re completely incorrect. Read posts 55 and 56. The intent was to exclude anyone born owing allegiance to any foreign sovereign or nation. That intent was further confirmed by the Civil Rights Act of 1866 and the 14th Amendment. We have it straight from the mouth of the Senate Chairman whose Committee crafted the 14th Amendment.

[seekthetruth]

We so called “birthers” just happen to know our Founding Fathers’ statement per Constitutional qualifications to be President or Vice President. It is very clear to me.

A “Natural Born Citizen” who Constitutionally qualifies to be President is one who:

1.Is at least the age of 35.

2.Was born on American soil.

3.Was born to two parents who were American citizens.

Please note possibilities of qualification #3:

Two parents who were born on American soil making them American citizens.

Two parents (1 or 2 of which)who immigrated to America and were later “Naturalized” making them American citizens prior to their child's birth.

Two parents (1 or 2 of which)who immigrated to America and became American citizens and did so prior to their child's birth.

Why did our Founding Fathers do this at the signing of our Constitution and make exceptions for the signers? Because our Founding Fathers wanted to be eligible to run for President, but wanted to make sure that from that signing date on no President of America would have any allegiance to a foreign country. So, “Natural Born Citizen” per our Constitution applies ONLY TO SOMEONE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT. Does not apply to someone running for Governor, or member of Congress. They just must be American citizens, ie either born on American soil or became US citizens.

Was Obama born on American soil? Who knows?? We can't see his original long form birth certificate, can we?
Were Obama’s parents both American citizens prior to his birth? NO

Were Marco Rubio’s parents American citizens prior to his birth? As far as I know, they were not, although they did become American citizens after Marco's birth.