[scottjewell]

"If it’s a disorder, why would God consider it a sin?" --Yes, yes, and yes. This is the crux of my argument with Houghton. Autism is a severe disorder; to live autistically is to live a disordered life. But God should not condemn the autistic. Right for the disabled, and a culture which is NOT decadent. Both ARE possible, though Houghton will never believe it.

[Houghton M.]

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With you, Scottjewell, I disputed not the orientation is a disorder. We agree it’s a disorder. We disagree about whether it is ever inborn.

I consistently wrote that as a disorder it is not freely chosen. The orientation/disorder is NOT a sin.

Acting on it is a sin, to the degree that the acts are knowingly chosen.

You want to make acting on it not a sin for your category A of inborn disordered. Stipulating that your Category A even exists, I dispute your saying that the acts are not sinful if they arise (for Category A people) from inborn disorder.

I say acts are sins no matter what, if they are freely chosen. (People who have been so lied to, manipulated etc. into believing that it’s Natural may not be capable of entirely free choice anymore).