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To: Brad from Tennessee

Take it from a retiree living in the Philippines, (since 2001), there will be no PX or Navy Exchange. The Clark Field is now populated with many international corporations and a new civilian hospital was just built there. There is even a major mall there.

The same is true for Subic. There are major international corporations there, a commercial shipping port and a new hospital also. Subic is a FreePort now.

The plan, as stated in the local newspapers, is that ships will come into port for repairs, supplies and R&R, but there will not be any ships stationed in Subic nor will there be more than a small contingent of U.S. Navy personnel in Subic.

Clark Field is now an international airport, but U.S. military flights do stop there, mostly they are bringing in Army personnel and Marines that arrive to conduct training exercises and advisor duties with the Philippine military.

There is a large group of Filipinos that do not want our military in the Philippines. There are women rights groups that also don’t want us in the Philippines. And there is still a question concerning the Status of Forces Agreement. Some Filipinos want U.S. service members who are accused of criminal activity to be held in Philippine jails prior to going to trial, (which can take many years before going on trial).

As far as I know, this issue has not been worked out with the Philippine Government.

It is said that our ship and planes will rotate in and out of the former bases but will not be permanently stationed at the bases, nor will they stay for prolonged periods of time.


34 posted on 06/09/2012 12:01:01 AM PDT by usnavy_cop_retired (Retiree in the P.I. living as a legal immigrant)
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To: usnavy_cop_retired

Thanks for the information. I was there with Enterprise during the first half of the 70’s. Some of the most beautiful geography in the world with a generally suckey government, not that I can point to an example of an unsuckey government. Beautiful place to be.


35 posted on 06/09/2012 12:08:17 AM PDT by Mycroft Holmes (<= Mash name for HTML Xampp PHP C JavaScript primer. Programming for everyone.)
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To: usnavy_cop_retired
It is said that our ship and planes will rotate in and out of the former bases but will not be permanently stationed at the bases, nor will they stay for prolonged periods of time.

I could see Subic being something like we've got in Sembawang, Singapore. A small Navy Exchange, Commissary and a Navy Federal but that's about it. And the ships would only be visiting.

37 posted on 06/09/2012 12:14:34 AM PDT by Doofer (Still, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.)
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To: usnavy_cop_retired

That’s really no different from what’s going on now, is it? With the exception of some personnel being stationed there. Ships have been making liberty calls at Subic again for a while now, although I can’t imagine what they are like in today’s PC Navy. Pretty disappointing I imagine. They can’t take my fond memories though.


39 posted on 06/09/2012 12:25:53 AM PDT by GATOR NAVY
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To: usnavy_cop_retired

Thanks for your detailed report. I had wondered how the locals coped with the loss of revenue when the bases shut down. Obviously the transformation of these sites into office complexes, hotels, warehouses, airports, etc. offers more dignified alternatives to the old rackets.


42 posted on 06/09/2012 1:19:23 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: usnavy_cop_retired
There are women rights groups that also don’t want us in the Philippines.

I sympathize with them. Would we want to turn American daughters into sexual slaves to service the Filipino (or any other country) military ? I find the fond memories expressed by some for the slaves, which is what prostitutes are, to ... miss the mark. If this were your last chance before eternity is that really the legacy you want to have ? Giving love and honor to one wife is a far better legacy. People are so weak and easily led astray.

132 posted on 06/10/2012 6:41:39 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began,)
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To: usnavy_cop_retired
I have heard it will be a smaller foot print based on the more mobile force concept. It will be like Japan with restricted liberty etc. The Senators opposed may be more receptive as the Chinese are getting more aggressive. But one should never fail to consider how corrupt and stupid Philippine politicians can be. I prefer we negotiate with Nam for access to Cam Ran Bay. Leave the PI to its own devices and put our so called special relationship to bed forever!
133 posted on 06/10/2012 8:03:58 AM PDT by OldGoatCPO
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