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To: 1010RD

That is absolutely untrue. The bible states that to spare the rod spoils the child. The bible instructs to PROPERLY discipline a child to NOT do wrong.

The bible also demands that one NOT abuse a child and that it would be better for them (presumably the abuser) if a mill stone were tied around their neck and they were thrown in the sea. The point being that GOD doesn’t like or approve of child abuse.

There is a difference between abuse and proper punishment for deliberate and willful wrong behavior. The same is true for someone who accidentially does spmething wrong and the person who evilly plans ahead of time to do wrong.

I would also say that excessive punishment could constitute abuse and even if one delivers the punishment while not in control of their own emotions it could be abusive if the child is too severely disciplined.

The bible says ‘Do not the sun go down on your anger’ which means don’t retain a gruge or anger excessively long. Temperance or moderation is always in order.

Even in the case of a person who may accidentially kill someone else there were 7 ‘cities of refuge’ they could flee to in the old testament where they would be protected from reprisal for the accidential death.

Getting back to this particular case, if the father is hitting the boy simply because of dropping the ball, the father IS being abusive.

Perhaps the father was softly hitting the boy because perhaps the boy was afraid of being hit by the ball and turning away and therefore the father hit him to show that the ball wouldn’t actually hurt him and the father was trying to encourage the son to handle the slight pain of an uncaught ball or getting hit by the ball. Regardless, the father IS WRONG to even try to teach in this manner.

As a young child, I never wanted to hurt anyone ever and my father tried to teach me to protect myself by pushing me into fighting with other kids. I still rejected hitting back and would rather run away than hit someone.

My father’s concern in my case about teaching me how to protect myself was a good and valid concern however his method was very wrong and ABUSIVE.


102 posted on 06/09/2012 2:45:23 PM PDT by dglang
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To: dglang

Can we all just stop talking about “fathers” disciplining their children?

This SOB is NOT the kid’s father.

It makes all the difference in the world. He should be prosecuted the same as if he were a perfect stranger who assaulted the kid out of the blue.

If crimes against children by mama’s shack-up buddies were properly prosecuted — as ‘assaults,’ not child abuse — that might deter some of the thousands of “boyfriends” and stepfathers who routinely maim and murder the children of the women they’re shacking up with.

At the very least, this guy should lose his job and go to jail for a long time — exactly what would happen if he assaulted a co-worker or another adult. Or the child of a complete stranger.

And he should never, ever be allowed back into that home. By court order.


105 posted on 06/09/2012 3:09:07 PM PDT by Blue Ink
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To: dglang

that is one dippy interpretation of the video, “softly” hitting him, “softly” knocking him down, get real


126 posted on 06/09/2012 7:03:29 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: dglang
I understand that someone told you that, but they've misinformed you. Go find out what a “rod” is. It isn't an instrument of punishment.

Discipline isn't punishment. Furthermore there's no reason to spank and it is an ineffective method if you're trying to instill discipline. We just do it because we can, out of tradition, and to relieve our frustrations in an immediate way.

Good parents discipline, they don't hit. It sends the wrong message and undermines parental authority. Reread your Bible and focus on Christ's teachings if you're a Christian. If you're a Jew you can just stick to the OT, but even there it is misinterpreted.

Go and read it for yourself and stop listening to your pastor. They're all trained by the same people so you've got groupthink, just like MBA programs. That's the great thing about having the Bible - we can read it and think about it ourselves.

Then look into the research on spanking. Dr. Dobson is wrong and corporal punishment of your children is wrong, counterproductive and unnecessary. It's a bad habit and one worth breaking.

134 posted on 06/09/2012 7:58:40 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: dglang
I understand that someone told you that, but they've misinformed you. Go find out what a “rod” is. It isn't an instrument of punishment.

Discipline isn't punishment. Furthermore there's no reason to spank and it is an ineffective method if you're trying to instill discipline. We just do it because we can, out of tradition, and to relieve our frustrations in an immediate way.

Good parents discipline, they don't hit. It sends the wrong message and undermines parental authority. Reread your Bible and focus on Christ's teachings if you're a Christian. If you're a Jew you can just stick to the OT, but even there it is misinterpreted.

Go and read it for yourself and stop listening to your pastor. They're all trained by the same people so you've got groupthink, just like MBA programs. That's the great thing about having the Bible - we can read it and think about it ourselves.

Then look into the research on spanking. Dr. Dobson is wrong and corporal punishment of your children is wrong, counterproductive and unnecessary. It's a bad habit and one worth breaking.

135 posted on 06/09/2012 8:00:16 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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