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Another Ohio police chief who opposed passage of concealed carry in 2004 admits his concerns were
Buckeye Firerams Association ^ | 8 June, 2012 | Chad D. Baus

Posted on 06/09/2012 3:32:49 PM PDT by marktwain

During the fight to pass concealed carry reform in Ohio, raging a decade ago, the list of people offering warning that the sky would fall if we passed a CCW law was long and varied. While I and other pro-gun advocates often pointed out that the successful experience in other states should be an easy answer to all of the "what ifs" and Chicken Little warnings being tossed about, it often seemed as though opponents thought Ohioans were somehow less responsible than residents of bordering states.

In those days, reporters had no problems finding law enforcement officers (usually unelected bureaucrats, rather than rank and file officers or elected sheriffs) who opposed the law, and often made wild claims about the "Wild Wild West" culture that would result if citizens were allowed to carry concealed firearms. In response, pro-gun activists like myself would respond with quotes from law enforcement officers in other states, many of whom had also opposed attempts to pass similar laws in their states, but who had since admitted that the laws were working well. We also made a prediction: the same thing will happen in Ohio once we pass the law here.

Unlike the predictions made by opponents, our predictions came true. There have not been problems with the law, and even formerly skeptical (to put it mildly) law enforcement officers are now admitting that it has worked.

From a Bucyrus Telegraph-Forum article entitled "Concealed carry a success in county":

The concealed carry law in Ohio passed in 2004. Eight years later, more than 250,000 Ohioans have permits to carry a loaded weapon in public.

"I can see both sides of the issue," Bucyrus Police Chief Ken Teets said. "We have had very few complaints regarding those with permits. For the most part I would call it a success."

When the law first passed, Teets and Crawford County Sheriff Ron Shawber were outspoken, one against the law, and one for it.

"I was concerned people with no valid reason for having the permit would carry guns with them all the time," Teets said. "As it turns out, that concern was without basis. We have had almost no trouble in law enforcement. Really, I didn't see that we could say no to people that were just business owners trying to protect their stores."

Shawber, who will retire this year, supported the measure.

"It was a better way to make sure the legislation had in it what we wanted," Shawber said. "How can we be opposed to John Q. Citizen who wants to have a gun to protect his home?

"If he or she can meet all the requirements, how can we say we don't trust them?"

Later in the article, the Chief Teets reveals that he has learned something advocates of the concealed carry law argued day in and day out before the law was passed.

"I still contend that the criminal element that has guns and carries them are going to do it whether a permit makes it legal or not," Teets said.

The article goes on to provide quotes from a local instructor who says he is seeing a rise in the amount of people taking the concealed carry course.

As 2012 plays out, there will be more hearings and debate on pro-gun legislation, including HB495 (Reciprocity & Concealed Carry Modernization). Opponents will once again be quoted by the media, making the same old warnings about what will happen if the latest modifications become law. But legislators have absolutely NO excuse for giving those concerns any merit. They were wrong on concealed carry. They were wrong on statewide preemption. They were wrong on Castle Doctrine. They were wrong on restaurant carry.

They were wrong, they are wrong, and they will be proven wrong again and again in the future. Thankfully, some of them, including Chief Teets, are willing to admit it.

Chad D. Baus is the Buckeye Firearms Association Vice Chairman. AddThis


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: banglist; ccw; oh; police
No matter how many times they are proven wrong, the anti-freedom types will never, never, admit it. Why? Because to do so would be to admit that their basic premises about how the world works are wrong.
1 posted on 06/09/2012 3:33:04 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Libs belong in a nut house....they’re crazy.


2 posted on 06/09/2012 3:35:28 PM PDT by lgjhn23
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To: marktwain
While I and other pro-gun advocates often pointed out that the successful experience in other states should be an easy answer to all of the "what ifs" and Chicken Little warnings being tossed about, it often seemed as though opponents thought Ohioans were somehow less responsible than residents of bordering states.

Trust me, the media will be front and center to parrot the same message and dire warnings during ccw debates in the remainder of our 57 state's efforts.

3 posted on 06/09/2012 3:40:58 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: marktwain
"I still contend that the criminal element that has guns and carries them are going to do it whether a permit makes it legal or not," Teets said.

Captain Friggin' Obvious. This guy's in charge of people and enforcing the law? Good Lord...

4 posted on 06/09/2012 3:53:09 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: marktwain

Send this to the police chiefs, et al in Illinois.


5 posted on 06/09/2012 3:55:01 PM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: marktwain
"If he or she can meet all the requirements, how can we say we don't trust them?"

sigh...the still don't get it.
6 posted on 06/09/2012 5:23:22 PM PDT by stylin19a (Obama - The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance)
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To: Future Snake Eater
Police chiefs generally are low-grade careerist politicians. They are not known as competent police officers. The fact that they are usually wrong on the issues is a direct result of this.
7 posted on 06/09/2012 7:22:19 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: marktwain

It’s all about EGO. Most people become police officers because they’re 1) Too lazy to actually WORK for a living 2) Too STUPID to hold a regular job 3) NEED the ego-rush they get from the authority trip, the tin badge and the sidearm they probably will NEVER be able to use safely and/or shoot accurately. Further, most cops are UNION SCUM. They do not like the idea that Joe Everyman might be armed – probably better than they are, and probably can user their weapon far better than Barney can. We have kiddie porn dirtbags, dope pushers and gangs running the streets, and some – not all – cops don’t want to have an equal playing field with law-abiding citizens. They’d MUCH rather write the speeding ticket or the DREADED “rolling stop” *GASP* citation. Donut-munching un-American scum.


8 posted on 06/10/2012 6:59:50 AM PDT by Nathaniel (- A Man Without A Cross -)
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To: umgud
Trust me, the media will be front and center to parrot the same message and dire warnings during ccw debates in the remainder of our 57 state's efforts.

There ain't much left. On paper, every state except the People's Republik of Illinois have CCW in some form. Granted, in some states it's May Issue when it should be Shall Issue, and in some states May Issue actually means No Issue, except to celebs and the politically connected. Constitutional Carry (permitless CCW) is now the law in four or five states -- maybe that will be the next battle, finally spreading true respect for our rights to the other 52 states.

9 posted on 06/10/2012 8:22:28 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Future Snake Eater
"I was concerned people with no valid reason for having the permit would carry guns with them all the time,"

Excuse me for thinking that my personal safety and that of my loved ones was a "valid reason".

Teets is a real winner.

10 posted on 06/10/2012 8:46:16 AM PDT by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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