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When Are We Going to Grow Up? The Juvenilization of American Christianity
Christianity Today ^ | June 2012 | Thomas E. Bergler

Posted on 06/10/2012 12:45:09 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper

We're all adolescents now

The house lights go down. Spinning, multicolored lights sweep the auditorium. A rock band launches into a rousing opening song. "Ignore everyone else, this time is just about you and Jesus," proclaims the lead singer. The music changes to a slow dance tune, and the people sing about falling in love with Jesus. A guitarist sporting skinny jeans and a soul patch closes the worship set with a prayer, beginning, "Hey God …" The spotlight then falls on the speaker, who tells entertaining stories, cracks a few jokes, and assures everyone that "God is not mad at you. He loves you unconditionally."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: christ; religion; youth
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To: faucetman

Why are you assuming I meant “in a building” when I said nothing of the kind?

He is with any two or more WHEREVER they gather——in a building, or outside of one. Stop trying to make an argument out of nothing.


41 posted on 06/10/2012 3:26:59 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Time for a write-in campaign...Darryl Dixon for President)
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To: Mach9

There is a lot to be said for silence.


42 posted on 06/10/2012 3:28:11 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: mountn man

FR needs a like button.


43 posted on 06/10/2012 3:28:37 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Depone serpentem et ab venemo gradere.)
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To: muawiyah

Clearer? Well, it’s....interesting, as most of your posts tend to be. :)


44 posted on 06/10/2012 3:29:30 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Time for a write-in campaign...Darryl Dixon for President)
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To: mountn man
In the beginning God created man in his own image.

Then man returned the favor.


45 posted on 06/10/2012 3:29:48 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: CatherineofAragon

All I know is that we go to a church that gives out free coffee and donuts in the mornings, and it is very contemporary.

My husband went to a Lutheran church and got turned off by it in college. He was very anti-church for a very long time.

Since our kids found the church we are going to, he now likes to go to church. He likes the music, but he loves the sermons. They are very relevant to things going on in our lives.

Our pastor’s son just passed away from a freak accident, and he just came back to the pulpit. He’s been on fire since he came back with great sermons. It’s more like he is going through trials right along with us, and he is so relatable.

I think there is a place for different styles of worship as long as the theology is strong.

I grew up in a Methodist church, and I won’t go to them anymore because they may have traditional services their theology has gotten very liberal.


46 posted on 06/10/2012 3:31:21 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: sportutegrl

Canticum novum ...

Today we sang a 600+ year old hymn - Pange Lingua.

It was new to me. And I know parts of it by heart.

He makes the old new.


47 posted on 06/10/2012 3:31:34 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Depone serpentem et ab venemo gradere.)
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To: 100American

Try re-reading the first recorded words of Jesus. Note the location, and the respect that the parishoners demonstrated there.


48 posted on 06/10/2012 3:36:02 PM PDT by cilbupeR_eerF
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To: Mad Dawg

It has become about the performers otherwise why do people applaude in church after the choir sings a hymn?


49 posted on 06/10/2012 3:48:41 PM PDT by heylady (“Sometimes I wish I could be a Democrat and then I remember I have a soul.”( Deb))
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To: fr_freak

“I would say that the decline in marriage is as much, if not more, due to a lack of maturity and morality among women.”

This is especially true when you properly define maturity as being held accountable for you actions.

Spiritual authority is commonly misunderstood as it is defined in God’s Word. Since the husband is the authority in a marriage, it is in women’s sin nature to rebel against man, not God.

This is not what is commonly thought of as a woman “obeying” the orders of her man. There is nothing wrong with a woman expecting her husband to treat her properly, but women tend to usurp man’s authority by acting as the infallible judge of her man’s character.

Before either spouse in a marriage criticizes their partner, they should go to God in prayer, and make sure their motives are pure and they have no sin problem of their own.

It is rare to find a true Godly woman who can live up to the standards of behavior she imposes upon her husband.

I have found that extreme hypocrisy is one common trait of the Godless people who do not have a true relationship with God, and have the Holy Spirit truly guiding their behaviors.


50 posted on 06/10/2012 3:52:17 PM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

My son goes to a large community Christian church with contemporary style of worship. Not my cup of tea, but he’s excited about Christ, carries and studies his Bible, and goes to Bible study classes. The pastor is young and modern, but scripturally correct.

Some of these churches provide a slick road to progressivism.


51 posted on 06/10/2012 3:54:48 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: papertyger
and halal meat really is one of those issues we wrestle with every day, huh?

LOL...

Here, let me imitate an inordinate number of FReepers on threads like these:

"If there's any instrument other than a pipe organ, that congregation is going to HELL! And if they're using a projector for their lyrics instead of a hymnal--they goin' to HELL! In fact, if they don't worship the same way my great-great-grandfather's church did, then they're goin' to HELL!"

These threads never fail to amuse me.

52 posted on 06/10/2012 3:57:05 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I’ll say it, just in case some Papists want to suggest people convert to Roman Catholicism:

The answer is not to “Return To Rome,” but to return to Jesus. Make much of Jesus.


53 posted on 06/10/2012 4:02:56 PM PDT by Theo (... with Liberty and Justice for all.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
What is a Christian.....born and then baby baptized into a generational traditionalism of faith into basically an “icon” they call Christ......

or.....

What is a Christian.....drawn by the Father unto his Son whom he is well pleased with, and then baptized by water and the Holy Spirit and born again into an new family.

Mat 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Our Father has no grandson's.

Why is immaturity surprising in traditionalized Christianity?

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

If the foundation is tradition, can there be any mystery as to whom will be falling away?

54 posted on 06/10/2012 4:30:10 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: heylady

Sometimes I go to the “life teen” Mass. Often at the end we applaud for the band and the singers.

I’m okay with that. Adults should show the young that they are loved and appreciated.

But in general I agree with you. This is not a concert.


55 posted on 06/10/2012 4:31:29 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Depone serpentem et ab venemo gradere.)
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To: luckystarmom

I agree with you about the Methodist doctrine.

For me, taking food or drink into a worship service is inappropriate. It makes me wonder what’s next——a McDonald’s in the lobby? Hot dogs and movie sized candy? I’m sure it would be popular and attract a lot of people, but I just don’t think it’s respectful to the Lord. If I want coffee, I can wait until the service is over.

I know a lot has changed as to what’s considered okay for church. Look around and you see girls in tank tops, shorts, etc. (and I’m not some old fogey-—I’m in my 40s). But I don’t think a lot of this change is positive; it caters more to “what do I want” instead of anything else.


56 posted on 06/10/2012 4:36:21 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Time for a write-in campaign...Darryl Dixon for President)
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To: Mad Dawg
Hey MD, haven't seen or heard you in quite awhile.

Maybe we're just on different threads.

I was just thinking about you the other day (within the last week).

Sure do miss your daily prayer thread and the prayers you posted.

I for one was really blessed by it.

Hope all is well.

57 posted on 06/10/2012 4:39:06 PM PDT by mountn man (Happiness is not a destination, its a way of life.)
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To: HerrBlucher

I think you make a good point...there is a case to be made that all of American society has become “juvenile”.


58 posted on 06/10/2012 5:05:40 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: fr_freak
You took the red pill, eh?

Cheers!

59 posted on 06/10/2012 5:24:31 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Mad Dawg
I do think repetitious and meretricious hymnody is bad, because it is not our best, and we should give God our best.

Are you really sure you meant to say "meretricious" ...?

If so, please give examples.

Cheers!

60 posted on 06/10/2012 5:28:15 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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