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Tom Hoefling: "I will shut down every abortion facility in the country"
Tom Hoefling for President 2012 ^ | June 11, 2012 | Tom Hoefling

Posted on 06/11/2012 9:17:17 AM PDT by EternalVigilance

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To: so_real; Slump Tester

‘I’m not with you on this. I’ll take a stand. And, proudly so. For America’s sake, it’s about time we all did.”

Taking a stand is one thing. Helping Obama win reelection is another.

The founders knew the art of compromise quite well. The Constitution demonstrates it superbly.


52 posted on 06/11/2012 10:06:51 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: mvpel
A state hardly becomes a totalitarian police state merely because it acts to protect life within its borders. I believe it is among the most basic functions of any government.

But, if you are pro-abortion, then you probably should vote for either Romney or Obama.

53 posted on 06/11/2012 10:07:12 AM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: EternalVigilance

I apreciate and agree with the sentiment and the statement - I disagree with the timing.

The time for making these important statements is during the primary - OR when there is a clear winner in the general election; or, as recently pointed out to me, when the electoral votes of your state are not in question.

Please see my position, from early in the primaries, on reluctantly voting for Romney:
http://www.truthhasachance.com/2011/10/10/re-why-i-will-not-vote-for-romney/

Reality recognizes that your candidacy is a statement - and an important one, but not a viable option for defeating Obama - who, in spite of fits and tantrums to the contrary, is far worse for our country than Romney could every be.


54 posted on 06/11/2012 10:09:36 AM PDT by GilesB
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To: EternalVigilance
My second act will be to ask for the resignation of anyone in the executive branch who will not act accordingly.

My third act will be to order the closing of every abortion facility in the country, as per the explicit, imperative requirement of the Supreme Law of the Land.

Your ramblings sound like a Saddam Hussein style third world dictator. Anyone who disagrees with you..off with their heads and damn the laws...you at least would be the the copy repair guy turned dictator in the movie "The Postman" if given power.

Thank God you don't have a chance in H*ll.

55 posted on 06/11/2012 10:11:06 AM PDT by trailhkr1 (All you need to know about Zimmerman, innocent = riots, manslaughter = riots, guilty = riots)
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To: driftdiver

Yes. Your language even proves more that you are a liberal. Conservatives don’t talk like that.


56 posted on 06/11/2012 10:12:11 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Tom Hoefling for President 2012!!! Vote your conscience in November. Say NO to the Liberal Romney!)
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To: driftdiver

Maybe he has a point..... maybe we ALL should run for president!


57 posted on 06/11/2012 10:13:13 AM PDT by Kinder Gentler Machinegun Hand
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To: driftdiver; Slump Tester


The Founders knew "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people." They also knew "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants."

If not you, then who? If not now, then when? You have two cups placed before you, Obama and Romney. You have have been told you must choose one for fear the other will be thrust upon you. Do you drink the kool-aid, or do you throw it in the harbor?


58 posted on 06/11/2012 10:15:30 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: netmilsmom
Why should he be any different than any other candidate. At least Tom stands for something...
59 posted on 06/11/2012 10:17:41 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: driftdiver
It must be painful to feel that you are compelled to choose between the shame of voting for Romney and the fear of a future without a President Romney to protect you.

There is a third choice and Tom Hoefling is that other choice.

You can rise above both fear and shame!

And, trust God.

60 posted on 06/11/2012 10:18:51 AM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: netmilsmom

Ross Perot was pro-abortion, his wife and daughter are award winning Planned Parenthood fund raisers, and Perot said that he would go door to door in Dallas to confiscate guns.

Perot was no conservative.


61 posted on 06/11/2012 10:23:57 AM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: napscoordinator
I will consider writing him in here in Georgia as a protest vote, but if I was in a battle ground state, there is no way I would vote for anyone but Romney.

Anything else in those states would be a vote for the destroyer Obama.

62 posted on 06/11/2012 10:25:11 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: driftdiver

Anyone who supports a true liberal can no longer call themself a conservative.


63 posted on 06/11/2012 10:29:37 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: Manic_Episode

“Anyone who supports a true liberal can no longer call themself a conservative.”

Anyone who helps Obama get reelected is a traitor.


64 posted on 06/11/2012 10:31:58 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Will you be on the ballot in Connecticut?

In deep blue Connecticut, a Romney vote would have no meaning, so I intend to vote for a conservative third party.

I’ve enjoyed your posts for years


65 posted on 06/11/2012 10:35:45 AM PDT by kidd
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To: EternalVigilance

Under what specific Presidential power would these facilities be shut down?

Executive orders outlining what the President determines SHOULD BE the “Supreme Law of the Land” is not a Constitutionally defined power.

Do you believe in an Imperial Executive branch?

Apparently you do.


66 posted on 06/11/2012 10:35:56 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: mvpel
Are women's wombs to be enslaved to the greater glory of the Almighty State?

I've never seen such a load of Planned Parenthood-inspired nonsense on FreeRepublic.com before.

The explicit requirement of the Fourteenth Amendment is that the unborn be given due process of law before they can be killed, not that they must never be killed under any circumstances.

Due process of law in the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendment context means a fair trial on a capital offense. Can you explain to me how an unborn child could possibly commit a capital offense?

Abortion is a travesty, but people should not rush to the even greater travesty of a police state in order to put an end to it.

I'm constantly amazed by how many folks can't understand the difference between fighting against tyranny and instigating it.

In the physical sense, there is no greater tyranny that can be enacted on the people than to kill them.

67 posted on 06/11/2012 10:36:48 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of the republic begins the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: napscoordinator
>>I hope you are NOT pro-life if you are going to vote for a guy who was Pro-Choice as early as 2004. <<

I was Pro-Choice once too. Now my family and I are the Yellow balloon people.

>>I hope you are NOT pro-life<<

Sorry to disappoint you.


68 posted on 06/11/2012 10:41:31 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: Manic_Episode
Anyone who supports a true liberal can no longer call themself a conservative. This country is teetering on the edge of financial collapse..and it still could happen. If that should happen, abortion will be the very least thing on the people's mind.
69 posted on 06/11/2012 10:43:36 AM PDT by trailhkr1 (All you need to know about Zimmerman, innocent = riots, manslaughter = riots, guilty = riots)
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To: driftdiver

Supporting a liberal is what will get Obama reelected. Look in the mirror Sir. You know this is a conservative website but you betray the cause.


70 posted on 06/11/2012 10:44:11 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: ansel12

>>Perot was no conservative.<<

Perot was fiscal conservative at a time that I was Pro-Choice.
However, the point of the matter is, he was known and still lost.


71 posted on 06/11/2012 10:45:20 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: allmendream

A presidential finding is distinct from an executive order. The former spells out the president’s understanding of what his duty requires. The second instructs those under his authority in what they must do to carry out the law.

No, I don’t believe in an imperial presidency. I believe that every officer of government must do the first thing that the founders of this republic said government is for: to equally protect the God-given, unalienable right to life of the individual person.

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men...”


72 posted on 06/11/2012 10:45:44 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of the republic begins the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: Manic_Episode
Anyone who supports a true liberal can no longer call themself a conservative.

Romney does not hate the country and want to turn it into a commie/socialist police state.

This country is teetering on the edge of financial collapse..and it still could happen. If that should happen, abortion will be the very least thing on the people's mind.

73 posted on 06/11/2012 10:46:24 AM PDT by trailhkr1 (All you need to know about Zimmerman, innocent = riots, manslaughter = riots, guilty = riots)
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To: GilesB

... for defeating Obama - who, in spite of fits and tantrums to the contrary, is far worse for our country than Romney could every be.

Watch for it, FRiend. There is a bigger game in play. Right up until November, Obama will make dramatic leaps leftward. He has already begun this move. You may not understand it or see it yet, but Obama is shifting far left to accomplish three tasks : Obama is going to throw this election as best he is able. By November the pundits will be telling us how damaging Obama's shift has been for his re-election bid. Some will call him crazy, others will call him crazy like a fox. Watch for it. When it happens you'll know this is intentional. And if Romney fails to appeal to the base in any significant way, and his successful presidential bid remains improbable, watch for the DNC to decide Obama is just plain crazy and throw another candidate in (Clinton?) to split the vote. They are attempting to sacrifice the queen in order to win the chess game. Don't take the bait. Forget about the queen and focus on your own pieces and positioning this election. Romney is a liberal, a pawn, and a stealth democrat. If Romney wins, conservatism loses.


74 posted on 06/11/2012 10:46:50 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: napscoordinator

Stop doing drugs and then perhaps people will listen.


75 posted on 06/11/2012 10:48:47 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Principled
>>so what if we end up w/ obama again?<<
76 posted on 06/11/2012 10:48:47 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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Justice Blackmun, in Roe vs. Wade, admitted that “of course” the child in the womb is protected by the Fourteenth Amendment, if they are a person.

Salve

I am sorry friends, please educate me on biological anatomy of humans, I think I miss some steps here.
“If they are a person”?

I thought at moment of conception life starts, human being is forming and living being, and is already a person, small yes, but growing and is a person and after 9 months and serious amount of pain, a person is brought to world with happiness of husband and wife. Or we are talking about some green aliens doing abductions.

Words like this “IF they are a person?” makes you try ask this person, who were you before you were born? Anima.

Overturning abortion law will required unprecedented American people effort, with full true control of three Chambers of the Government, with abhorrent behavior, media, luck of morality in many people, luck of truth, it is impossible. With Feminists who have rule behind apathetic laws, homosexuals using same tactics, and media promoting, you have three evil stooges just to make sure it will not happen. Forth stooge is Education system.

I have written, I can only pray for you, you are between two serious fire balls hitting you and tough very tough fight is for you to fight. Only you know how to fix it.
It is not easy, and it will not be, once the enemy is pushed to the wall it will do enything to hold to power. Like a raging cat.

Merci.


77 posted on 06/11/2012 10:49:20 AM PDT by MCSP2008 (Romanian native > ESL)
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To: so_real

A vote for a third party candidate is no different then jumping off a cliff. It will accomplish nothing except make you feel better until the abrupt stop occurs.


78 posted on 06/11/2012 10:51:00 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: EternalVigilance
So your Presidential “finding” would shut down these facilities under WHAT specific power granted to the Presidency?

Do you see that 0bama could shut down the death penalty in any State where it is part of the judicial process under the same illogical ‘the ends justify the means’ proviso that you outline?

Your understanding of the Constitution and the limited and enumerated powers granted under it is obviously very limited.

79 posted on 06/11/2012 10:51:55 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: driftdiver

>>Those folks will accomplish much more to stop abortion than this thread will.<<

Thanks! We hope so.

The Chicago Crusaders did a Swing Dance with their balloons at the Rally for Religious Freedom.

(we may Polka next time!)


80 posted on 06/11/2012 10:53:40 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: kidd

Thanks for the encouraging words.

We’ve got until August to get 7500+ signatures in CT. It’s doable.


81 posted on 06/11/2012 10:54:53 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of the republic begins the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: allmendream
Your understanding of the Constitution and the limited and enumerated powers granted under it is obviously very limited.

No, EV understands the Constitution. It's just that the principles of the Constitution do not matter on things he wants to change but does matter on areas he wants to protect. People like him are dangerous.

82 posted on 06/11/2012 10:57:36 AM PDT by trailhkr1 (All you need to know about Zimmerman, innocent = riots, manslaughter = riots, guilty = riots)
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To: netmilsmom

What are the pictures next to the women??


83 posted on 06/11/2012 10:58:58 AM PDT by trailhkr1 (All you need to know about Zimmerman, innocent = riots, manslaughter = riots, guilty = riots)
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To: allmendream

The presidential finding in and of itself does nothing but clarify the chief executive’s understanding of the law.

Let me ask you a couple of questions:

1) Is the President required to take an oath to support the Constitution of the United States?

2) Does the Constitution of the United States imperatively require the equal protection of the right to life of every individual person?

3) Does the Constitution of the United States imperatively require every state to provide for the equal protection of the laws?

4) Is the child in the womb a person?


84 posted on 06/11/2012 11:02:06 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of the republic begins the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: so_real

...and if Obama wins???

Romney, whose base is the party of the Rs, which has many conservative members, HAS to listen, and list, more toward the conservative voice than Obama. Obama is completely unteathered from any conservative concept. Romney must, at the very least, pay lip service to conservative ideas.

I generally reject your “Great Conspiracy” theory. Notice, I am not mocking, I just don’t agree.


85 posted on 06/11/2012 11:02:38 AM PDT by GilesB
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To: trailhkr1
It's just that the principles of the Constitution do not matter on things he wants to change but does matter on areas he wants to protect.

Please point to the "constitutional principle" that excuses the president from his first duty, which is to protect the lives, the liberty, and the property of the people.

86 posted on 06/11/2012 11:04:47 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of the republic begins the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: trailhkr1

As another FReeper said, if you fear Obama vote for Romney. If you fear God, Don’t.


87 posted on 06/11/2012 11:04:47 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: marron

Glad you liked that. :-)

Thanks.


88 posted on 06/11/2012 11:09:20 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of the republic begins the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: EternalVigilance
I'm curious. Have you ever run for a local or state elected office? That's usually how it's done, in order to build up the necessary name recognition before attempting something national.

or you can skip that step ... if you're billionaire or otherwise nationally famous ...

89 posted on 06/11/2012 11:18:35 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: EternalVigilance

And when your actions as president are Constitutionally challenged, do you expect Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito or Antonin Scalia to support you?


90 posted on 06/11/2012 11:20:51 AM PDT by Kinder Gentler Machinegun Hand
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To: netmilsmom

My point was that Perot was not a conservative, as you say, you weren’t either, Perot was to the right of Romney of course, but he was no conservative.


91 posted on 06/11/2012 11:28:11 AM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: Principled
If Romney gets in on an anti-Obama landslide, understand that before the year was out, ABO would be the dust of history and Romney's win would morph into a pro-Romney "mandate."

The "fire" that conservatives hope to be holding Romney's feet to, would have dwindled into dying embers crushed by the landslide "mandate."

92 posted on 06/11/2012 11:31:09 AM PDT by Finny (A deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition. Voting for Romney to avoid Obama is just that.)
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To: Servant of the Cross

No, I have never held public office.

If that’s your criteria, rather than the restoration of the first moral, constitutional principles upon which our form of government and our claim to liberty are premised, you’ll have to choose someone else.

Thanks.


93 posted on 06/11/2012 11:33:57 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of the republic begins the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: ansel12

>>as you say, you weren’t either,<<

I was Pro-choice. Back when we were told that babies in the womb were blobs of tissue, when the only Ultrasound that was done on my sisters was the one for my nephew with birth defects and when it was hard to know who was right with little information and no internet. Lots of conservatives back then in my age group were Pro-Choice out of ignorance.

I was a fiscal conservative and Perot worked for lots of conservative.

That’s the point. Even my friend in Australia knew who he was. And he is the ONLY third party candidate since Teddy Roosevelt to make it.


94 posted on 06/11/2012 11:34:55 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: Kinder Gentler Machinegun Hand

The president swears to support the Constitution, not to obey judges who issue immoral, unconstitutional opinions.


95 posted on 06/11/2012 11:35:34 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of the republic begins the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: driftdiver
A vote for anyone but the GOP candidate is a vote for Obama.

Then explain to a liberal how my third party vote in the presidential isn't a vote "for" Romney.

Because that person is labeling a vote for anyone but the Democrat candidate, as a vote for Romney.

96 posted on 06/11/2012 11:35:53 AM PDT by Finny (A deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition. Voting for Romney to avoid Obama is just that.)
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To: Slump Tester
A vote for this guy is the same thing as voting for Obama.

Wrong. Patently, mathematically, wrong.

A vote for "this guy" is denying a vote to BOTH Romney and Obama and would be 100% neutral in influencing the outcome of O v R -- though it would weaken the "voter mandate" of either.

97 posted on 06/11/2012 11:39:38 AM PDT by Finny (A deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition. Voting for Romney to avoid Obama is just that.)
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To: Lakeshark
"Welcome to "How gullible are you FR?"

Gullible enough to think conservatives would be able to hold a committed statist Republican's "feet to the fire" after his brand of "moderate progressive" politics won in a landslide?

98 posted on 06/11/2012 11:41:34 AM PDT by Finny (A deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition. Voting for Romney to avoid Obama is just that.)
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To: EternalVigilance
If that's your criteria ...

My 'criteria' is to evict the current Occupier_WH. In the 2008 POTUS election, over 129 million votes were cast. It is highly likely that the winner of the 2012 POTUS election will need over 65 million votes. Therefore, my criteria will, of necessity, include only someone who can obtain 65 million votes from the American public.

99 posted on 06/11/2012 11:45:28 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: EternalVigilance

After law enforcement officials, the courts and prosecutors on the state and federal levels all ignore your order, what do you do next?


100 posted on 06/11/2012 11:46:30 AM PDT by Kinder Gentler Machinegun Hand
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