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Undocumented immigrants fight for lifesaving liver transplants
Chicago Tribune ^ | June 11, 2012 | Jeff Danna

Posted on 06/11/2012 8:46:29 PM PDT by moonshinner_09

Brothers Elfego and Lorenzo Arroyo each suffers from a deadly liver disease. But despite the urgency of their situation, the Chicago residents have struggled to receive organ transplants.

The Arroyo brothers are undocumented immigrants and lack insurance, friends and relatives say. Like others in their situation, they have been denied care that could increase their chances of survival due to their residency status.

"We know there are thousands of Latinos and (non-)Latinos with no documents who are facing the same situation," Rev. Jose Landaverde said Monday during a news conference at Our Lady of Guadalupe Angelican Catholic Mission in Chicago's Little Village neighborhood.

(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: aliens; healthcare; illegal; immigration; transplant
I read that Mexico has national public health care for a few hundred dollars a year and there are no limits and no rules re: pre-existing conditions.Surely supporters can afford a few hundred dollars a year for Mexican health care and to my mind have a moral responsibility to pay it.
1 posted on 06/11/2012 8:46:41 PM PDT by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09
"Undocumented Immigrants" = Illegal aliens.

They should return to their home country to get on THAT "life saving liver transplant" waiting list.

2 posted on 06/11/2012 8:50:51 PM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: moonshinner_09

Send them back where they came from, let the socialist in their own country take care of them.

Undocumented = Illegal = Criminal.

If I were really feeling intolerant I might suggest rounding them up for the harvest, Organ Harvest that is! ;-)
Plenty of Americans suffering from a shortage of donor organs.


3 posted on 06/11/2012 8:51:07 PM PDT by Loyal Sedition
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To: moonshinner_09
This is just insulting. Why? Why should I give them anything?

I think this is meant to be a sob story that garners sympathy for the plight of people who are "undocumented". But it just infuriates me and makes me want to deport every single one of the SOBs. I see them as an invading army which fights to conquer this nation without actually wearing a military uniform. Such people, under the Geneva Convention, do not deserve kind treatment.

4 posted on 06/11/2012 8:52:22 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Obama needs more time. After all -- Rome wasn't burned in a day.)
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To: moonshinner_09

sick? Needs a liver? Here illegally?

(start cold hearted SOB)

stabilize him... Ship back to home country to deal with.

(end cold hearted SOB)

Hey.. I didn’t say let him die in the streets.


5 posted on 06/11/2012 8:52:51 PM PDT by cableguymn (If your policies are pushing the economy in to headwinds.. TURN YOUR POLICY AROUND!)
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To: moonshinner_09

I am sorry they are sick. To solve the problem go back to their home country and take advantage of their free health care.


6 posted on 06/11/2012 8:53:52 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Loyal Sedition

equals dead americans equals deal legal residents.


7 posted on 06/11/2012 8:55:11 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: moonshinner_09

Wiki on the clergy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/José_S._Landaverde


8 posted on 06/11/2012 8:58:47 PM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: moonshinner_09

One word -—— China.


9 posted on 06/11/2012 9:04:31 PM PDT by Rembrandt (Part of the 52% who pay Federal taxes)
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To: moonshinner_09

I am ambivalent on the matter. On the one hand, I wish they could get the transplants. On the other, it would be grossly unfair and a miscarriage of justice for them to get ahead of legal residents on the waiting list.


10 posted on 06/11/2012 9:05:53 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Tagline: (optional, printed after your name on post):)
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To: moonshinner_09; Jane Long; Loyal Sedition; ClearCase_guy; cableguymn; svcw; longtermmemmory; ...

I have an idea!!

11 posted on 06/11/2012 9:09:06 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I like it! Ship the hosers up to the Great White North, eh?


12 posted on 06/11/2012 9:16:35 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Tagline: (optional, printed after your name on post):)
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To: moonshinner_09

How dare their native homelands deny them basic coverage in their Socialist utopian hellholes.

But it sounds like this is Boosh’s fault.


13 posted on 06/11/2012 9:17:54 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Washington could not tell a lie, Nixon could not tell the truth, Obama can't tell the difference.)
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To: moonshinner_09

They think it is free, and they deserve it. It’s not free: the average cost is over half a million dollars for a liver transplant. The fact that an American citizen or legal immigrant who has insurance loses that liver is another issue. With a limited supply of health care resources, the system of prioritizing who gets what will get more contentious.


14 posted on 06/11/2012 9:23:06 PM PDT by vicdoc
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To: moonshinner_09

Indeed. Mexico has socialized medicine. If that’s where they illegally migrated from, why not go home for treatment?


15 posted on 06/11/2012 9:38:09 PM PDT by newzjunkey (I advocate separation of school and sport)
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To: moonshinner_09
Oh goodness - their plight is that they are just missing their documents! Incredulous, just unbelievable how the state run media can tug at a generous person's heart strings (violin here).

There will be a national illegal alien sob story daily between now and the Nov 6 election. The WH wants this subject to be front and center. Check out this writeup

The Second Term
What would Obama do if reëlected?
by Ryan Lizza, New Yorker (spent time behind enemy lines)


I can just hear bozo the clown strategizing - "Give me four more and I will make sure you are all granted amnesty, if you promise to vote RAT party after you become citizens."

Ted Kennedy: 1986 Amnesty
“In 1986 Senator Kennedy said, ‘This amnesty will give citizenship to only 1.1 to 1.3 million illegal aliens. We will secure the borders henceforth. We will never again bring forward another amnesty bill like this.’

5/18/07 - - If Senator Kennedy lied to us then, how can we trust him now?” . “Attrition through enforcement is the only fair and feasible way to deal with the 12 to 20 million illegal aliens currently in the United States. This proposal guarantees only that the problem of illegal immigration will only grow exponentially as it did after the 1986 amnesty.”


Ref the "Swimmer's" quote - 3 million took advantage of the Simpson/Mazzoli Act, the border has NEVER been secured, and Simpson/Mazzoli was NOT the last amnesty brought to America - there have been SIX more amnesties since Simpson/Mazzoli
The Amnesty of 1994
The Extension Amnesty of 1997
The Nicaraguan Adjustment and Central American Relief Act (NACARA) Amnesty of 1997
The Haitian Refugee Immigration Fairness Act Amnesty (HRIFA) of 1998
The Late Amnesty of 2000
The LIFE Act Amnesty of 2000

NEVER EVER TRUST ANYONE WITH A "D" BEHIND THEIR NAME. I would make a bet the number of illegal aliens on our soil today is closer to 30 million but no one has a clue on how to estimate the number.
16 posted on 06/11/2012 9:46:53 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: moonshinner_09
Yeah, I was gonna ask "Who pays for all these goodies?" And while I know that some people get liver disease without being drinkers and/or drug abusers, a good many of them have definitely contributed to their own health problems.

Yes, David Crosby of Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young got a liver transplant, possibly jumping ahead of others in line to get it, and I know it gave him a "new lease on life," albeit he will have to be on immune-suppressant drugs for the rest of his life.

But why did Mr. Crosby need a liver transplant in the first place? In large part because of his lifestyle of boozing and drug-taking, which is hard on your body.

You would think that the recipients of such expensive treatment ought to pay at least a part of the cost of that treatment (or perhaps take up a collection for voluntary donations). It certainly does not come for free, even if the family of the organ donor isn't allowed to receive compensation.

Frankly, I'm going to try to live a clean enough life that I can avoid having to get on a transplant list. IMO it's kind of a Faustian bargain anyway, because even if you are lucky enough to get a needed organ, you must thereafter stay on immune-suppressant drugs to reduce the chance of your body rejecting the transplanted organ. Many of these people are in and out of the hospital for the rest of their lives on a regular basis, for however long that is. I for one don't have that kind of money, nor do I wish to become that familiar with hospitals.

17 posted on 06/11/2012 9:47:10 PM PDT by pbmaltzman
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To: moonshinner_09
Yeah, I was gonna ask "Who pays for all these goodies?" And while I know that some people get liver disease without being drinkers and/or drug abusers, a good many of them have definitely contributed to their own health problems.

Yes, David Crosby of Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young got a liver transplant, possibly jumping ahead of others in line to get it, and I know it gave him a "new lease on life," albeit he will have to be on immune-suppressant drugs for the rest of his life.

But why did Mr. Crosby need a liver transplant in the first place? In large part because of his lifestyle of boozing and drug-taking, which is hard on your body.

You would think that the recipients of such expensive treatment ought to pay at least a part of the cost of that treatment (or perhaps take up a collection for voluntary donations). It certainly does not come for free, even if the family of the organ donor isn't allowed to receive compensation.

Frankly, I'm going to try to live a clean enough life that I can avoid having to get on a transplant list. IMO it's kind of a Faustian bargain anyway, because even if you are lucky enough to get a needed organ, you must thereafter stay on immune-suppressant drugs to reduce the chance of your body rejecting the transplanted organ. Many of these people are in and out of the hospital for the rest of their lives on a regular basis, for however long that is. I for one don't have that kind of money, nor do I wish to become that familiar with hospitals.

18 posted on 06/11/2012 9:47:20 PM PDT by pbmaltzman
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To: Jane Long

Hey, no problem. Hop back over the border, third Maytag box on the left. Pedro’s All Night Bar, Grill and Transplant Shop.

Ask for the clean surgical instruments. A few pesos more, but worth it. If he’s out of livers, I recommend the spleen.


19 posted on 06/11/2012 9:47:46 PM PDT by 98ZJ USMC
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To: moonshinner_09

The headline brought the image to my mind of two Mexicans knife-fighting in an arena to win a new liver.


20 posted on 06/11/2012 9:56:51 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: pbmaltzman

I can’t understand the folks that want to live forever, getting Frankensteined and paying a fortune to try to grab a few more years. I’m weary of this world already, and I’m only 33. When my organs start failing, I think I will thank God and try to cross a few things off the bucket list before I get called home.


21 posted on 06/11/2012 10:01:18 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: moonshinner_09

Trying to be Christian,,,but I feel as if my politicians (which I want jailed) have unleased a poor brown bomb on us and our country will never be the same again.


22 posted on 06/11/2012 10:06:01 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: samadams2000

Sorry...I meant (whom I want jailed).


23 posted on 06/11/2012 10:10:19 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: cableguymn

You didn’t, I will.


24 posted on 06/11/2012 10:26:09 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: samadams2000
I think that is the general plan.

Flood a country with poor non-citizens who have no allegiance to its flag, its constitution, or its founding documents, no cultural or historical bonds, no respect for it laws or historical foundations, who REFUSE to assimilate, have no healthy distrust of an overreaching federal government, and continually tend to rely on that same government to take care of them, AND then give those same non-citizens voting rights...

That non-citizen bloc and whoever represents them would become a major political power in a foreign country. And that seems to be what is happening now.

For the democrats it is all about votes and power. Like the thousands of despots and dictators before them throughout mankind's history, they have to RULE over people, and it doesn't matter WHO those people may be. You can't RULE a free, armed citizenry, who are culturally tied to the land, and don't need or want whatever trinkets you can give them, while robbing them blind.

Therefore, replace them with someone you can rule.

25 posted on 06/11/2012 10:39:51 PM PDT by abishai
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To: moonshinner_09

If they are mestizo the likelihood of finding a donor match for most organs is very poor due to the vast number of indigenous ethnic groups in Mexico and Central America. They can get a partial liver donation from a family member, though.


26 posted on 06/11/2012 10:54:18 PM PDT by Havisham
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To: moonshinner_09

Sorry guys. Americans first. Really, I’m sorry....

Good Luck...


27 posted on 06/11/2012 11:41:58 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Boogieman
The headline brought the image to my mind of two Mexicans knife-fighting in an arena to win a new liver.

ROFLMAO! Yeah, I can see that too. Something else for the gangs to fight about!

28 posted on 06/12/2012 1:19:55 AM PDT by pbmaltzman
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To: Boogieman
The headline brought the image to my mind of two Mexicans knife-fighting in an arena to win a new liver.

ROFLMAO! Yeah, I can see that too. Something else for the gangs to fight about!

29 posted on 06/12/2012 1:20:08 AM PDT by pbmaltzman
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To: Boogieman
The headline brought the image to my mind of two Mexicans knife-fighting in an arena to win a new liver.

ROFLMAO! Yeah, I can see that too. Something else for the gangs to fight about!

30 posted on 06/12/2012 1:20:28 AM PDT by pbmaltzman
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To: Boogieman
The headline brought the image to my mind of two Mexicans knife-fighting in an arena to win a new liver.

ROFLMAO! Yeah, I can see that too. Something else for the gangs to fight about!

31 posted on 06/12/2012 1:20:31 AM PDT by pbmaltzman
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To: moonshinner_09

they’re here illegally? deport them.


32 posted on 06/12/2012 1:20:31 AM PDT by RC one (this space intentionally left blank)
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To: 98ZJ USMC
Hey, no problem. Hop back over the border, third Maytag box on the left. Pedro’s All Night Bar, Grill and Transplant Shop.

Ask for the clean surgical instruments. A few pesos more, but worth it. If he’s out of livers, I recommend the spleen.

Good one! LMAO!

33 posted on 06/12/2012 1:23:54 AM PDT by pbmaltzman
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To: 98ZJ USMC
Hey, no problem. Hop back over the border, third Maytag box on the left. Pedro’s All Night Bar, Grill and Transplant Shop.

Ask for the clean surgical instruments. A few pesos more, but worth it. If he’s out of livers, I recommend the spleen.

Good one! LMAO!

34 posted on 06/12/2012 1:24:09 AM PDT by pbmaltzman
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To: samadams2000

“...have unleased a poor brown bomb on us and our country will never be the same again.”


It’s the same with “brown” cockroaches. Don’t do anything about them and pretty soon they have swarmed the country. Worse yet, we (our politicians) simply look the other way and don’t do anything about it.

The infestation continues to grow and soon real Americans will be eaten alive by them.


35 posted on 06/12/2012 4:30:20 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Cheerio

It is a Stalinist LIE to call these illegal immigrants “undocumented”.

They hold “papers” that are fraudulent. Some are genuine driver’s licenses sold to them by corrupt workers within the Department of Public Safety. One woman who was murdered after she was caught selling some to Islamists even sold SEVERAL different identities to one man.

They commit identity theft and the public is supposed to be compassionate.


36 posted on 06/12/2012 7:29:50 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The media ignored the 40th anniversary of Bill Ayers' Pentagon bombing but not Watergate. Ask Why.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Now they are stealing livers that by rights belong to Americans.


37 posted on 07/06/2012 9:22:20 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: Jeff Chandler

There’s a line down home ~ they probably ought to get on it quickly


38 posted on 06/05/2013 4:24:09 PM PDT by muawiyah (Git yer Red Arm Bands here - $29.95 - NOT SOLD IN STORES - TAX FREE)
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