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To: Tublecane
Then you call the Sheriff ~ and there's a whole movement dedicated to making sure "Sheriff" continues to be a constitutional office in state constitutions.

When they were getting ready to bury William the Conqueror the man who owned the land approached the officials in charge and said "I must be paid first" ~ so, supposedly, they paid him since, after all, he had a right to approach the government agents and demand his privilege (payment).

There's always been someone in authority somewhere. In general government recognizes the right of citizens, subjects, even prisoners to approach its officers in some manner and ask for assistance.

In true tyrannies that's not the case.

248 posted on 06/12/2012 2:33:33 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

“When they were getting ready to bury William the Conqueror the man who owned the land approached the officials in charge and said ‘I must be paid first’ ~ so, supposedly, they paid him since, after all, he had a right to approach the government agents and demand his privilege (payment).

There’s always been someone in authority somewhere. In general government recognizes the right of citizens, subjects, even prisoners to approach its officers in some manner and ask for assistance.”

Being approachable, perhaps, falls within the “redress of grievances” umbrella, but where you fall down is on this äsk for assistance” business. As I said, the courts have been clear and I agree that the authorities do not have to pay heed to your petition. So even if the first amendment makes it so that cops, being government, have to be open in whatever limited way to your phone calls, it still does not mean you have the right to ask them for help, let alone get them to help you.

You want it to be so that the husband was standing in the way of the wife’s right to have the cops come in the house. But no such right exists. The cops responded to her call, obviously. But on the basis of her supposed right and that call they did not have the authority to force the husband to stand down and to enter the property. The cops would easily have the authority had they probable cause, and they could easily assert PC and have it cursorily checked off by a judge had they argued with a minimum of evidence exigent circumstances based on their uncertainty as to the safety of the caller.

For what it’s worth, even if the right to ask cops for help exists you can’t get directly to point B): the cops legal entry on the husband and wife’s property from point A): the right to petition the government for redress of grievances. The cops were open to her call, obviously, so there isn’t even any question on the matter. As to in what matter they responded, that was a different matter altogether.


257 posted on 06/12/2012 2:50:08 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: muawiyah

“In general government recognizes the right of citizens, subjects, even prisoners to approach its officers in some manner and ask for assistance.”

I feel compelled to emphasize that be that as it may,asking for help is not asking for “redress of grievances.”


260 posted on 06/12/2012 2:55:21 PM PDT by Tublecane
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