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Going Deep: “It’s Entirely Possible That Nowhere in North America is a Safe Redoubt”
SHTF Plan ^ | 6-13-2012 | Eric Peters

Posted on 06/13/2012 9:08:22 AM PDT by blam

Going Deep: “It’s Entirely Possible That Nowhere in North America is a Safe Redoubt”

Eric Peters
June 13th, 2012
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Some friends have been actively talking about their Exit Plans – about getting out of this country before the curtain goes down. While there is still time. They believe the situation to be hopeless. That despite the upwelling of liberty-mindedness among some, the vast majority of Americans are not liberty-minded. That Americans – tens of millions of them – are stupid, unreachable, mean, irrational, authoritarian-minded Babbits and poltroons. People who always speak in “we” – and lust to control others.

Reluctantly, I have to concede the point.

I have had exhaustive (and exhausting) conversations with countless people – some of them probably a lot smarter than I in terms of raw IQ – who just can’t connect the dots.

Or – much worse – don’t care to.

The problem is as much psychological as it is intellectual. There may just be a defective sub-species of human being, homo servilus, who – much like a bee in a hive – is programmed to crave the collective and therefore accepts its corollary – coercion – as the natural and right order of things.

It’s very easy to get these “bees” to reveal their true natures. Their core antipathy to individualism – and its corollary, liberty. Just let them know, for example, that you find sports/celebrity worship disgusting. Or that you don’t subscribe to any particular religious doctrine – or much care what doctrines otherssubscribe to, so long as they leave you be.

Let them discover that you don’t feel obliged to pay more taxes for “our children” – only an obligation to take care of your own children. Criticize war.

Make a negative comment about cops… .

So, I don’t disagree that jumping ship is probably a smart move. Nonetheless, I’m reluctant to leave the country, for many reasons – high among them just orneriness. This is my country, dammit. I hate the idea of just giving it to … them.

That said, I am beginning to wish I’d “gone deep” when I selected our fallback redoubt. We consciously moved to very rural SW Va. from the Northern Virginia area (near DC) about eight years ago to a great extent to limit our exposure to what’s surely coming. But I am thinking now that we would have been smarter to have moved to rural Idaho or Wyoming or Montana (like Chuck Baldwin did) instead. There are too many Clovers here.

And signs of sprouting continue to worry me.

For example: Several recent “letters to the editor” in our small community newspaper go on and on about how “we” need to raise taxes on real estate so that “our schools” will have “adequate funding.” There is one school – an elementary school in a far corner of the county – threatened with closure because of limited “revenue” and not enough students to justify keeping it open. So the idea was floated to close it and consolidate it with another. “The children” would then get bussed a little farther to their new school. This is an outrage to the parentsites of these children, who believe others should be compelled to provide the necessary “revenue” to keep the old school open for their children.

Everything discussed in terms of “we,” of course. It’s never my children need you to pay for their school.

If I were to speak at a public hearing about this and ask why don’t people who chose to have children bear the responsibility for raising their kids – which includes educating their kids – as opposed to their kids becoming an open-ended claim on the property – on the liberty – of other people who had nothing to do with it… I’d likely be the victim of a mob beating. At minimum, I’d become a community pariah – regarded as “selfish” and “anti-child” (as well as “anti-education”) … because I am troubled by armed men threatening to kill me and take my property so that it may be given to someone else’s kids – kids I’ve never even met let alone had anything to do with bringing into this world. It is no defense, either, that such a policy makes it that much harder for people who’d like to pay their own way to do so.

Other people’s kids take precedence. Over everything.

It never occurs to these “freedom loving” Americans that freedom can’t exist when you are no longer free to say no to being forced to hand over your rightful property to other people to whom you properly speaking owe nothing – other than goodwill. That if “the children” becomes a justification for theft, then any other reason is just as good a reason.

But don’t dare say it out loud…. these freedom-loving Americans will very quickly show you just how much they actually believe in freedom… including even the freedom to speak your mind, if your mind differs in any meaningful respect from the parameters of orthodoxical Republican or Democrat parameters.

The only cardinal sin is to commit non-authoritarianism. To state that you don’t want anything from anyone except their respect for your rights – and are willing to extend the same courtesy in return.

It is a thought increasingly foreign to Americans – even here, in a rural southern farming county 35 miles from anything in most places and often a lot farther than that.

Another example:

In our tiny, literally one-stoplight county, the same government that moans about not having sufficient “revenue” for “the children” recently spent probably several thousand dollars painting at least six “pedestrian crosswalks” in town, complete with “safety man” icons imprinted into the pavement plus signage. Apparently, people cannot cross the street unaided here, either. I have no doubt that tickets for jaywalking are right around the corner. Tazerings for the non-compliant.

Signs of the apocalypse.

There is talk of writing zoning laws – which this county has never had – and which will surely mean The End of everything that made moving here worth doing. People will no longer just be able to freely buy and sell their land, to be used however the new owner wishes. There will instead be restrictions on how a lot can subdivided – and what may be “lawfully” constructed on said lot. I can already see a time when BTK-type “zoning enforcement officers” will be knocking on people’s doors, threatening them with onerous fines (and ultimately, county seizure and auction of “their” land) if they don’t mow it, or have too many cars parked on it or a “not approved” shed built upon it… .

Clovers. The god-damn bastards are here now, too.

It only took them eight years to find this place – and ruin it.

It’s entirely possible that nowhere in North America is a safe redoubt.

What happens, ultimately, depends on the character of the people. And the character of the American people – by and large – is one that reflexively defers to authority – willingly, worshipfully. That happily submits to the most despicable degradation if it will “keep them safe.” And which never fails to speak in terms of we.

So, where do the rest of us – the remnant that still believes in I – go to get away from we?

That, friends, is the question of our time.


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To: Kartographer

Sure! Bring guns so we can have some shooting practice together! :-)


61 posted on 06/13/2012 1:03:23 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: redpoll

—...at least until the desperate start driving down I-65 in convoys looking for food and shelter. No doubt folks in your part of the world will defend themselves, and no doubt the desperate will do what they need to do to survive....—

Because of the distance, and the effort it will take to get to where I am if we go all “Road Warrior”, I expect my “cull the herd” comment to be implemented.

Living off a road, off a road, off a road doesn’t hurt either. It’s no guarantee, but it improves our odds. Other than that it is, as you say, in God’s hands.

But really, isn’t it always? ;-)


62 posted on 06/13/2012 1:14:29 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

—...I don’t know the weather patterns, critters, plants, etc....—

I checked all that out before I moved here. Interestingly, I still screwed up. In my old home of 45 years, Seattle, you can wander in the woods with impunity all year round, fearing only the occasional banana slug between your toes or the temporary pain of nettles.

Here we have ticks and Chiggers and, as I found out, Turkey mites. I knew that once it warmed up I needed to be careful. I knew this was especially true in the transition areas between the woods and meadows. But I forgot.

I spent an entire day expanding our “meadow” area into our woods using a weedeater while wearing shorts and a t-shirt. A week later I was at the doctor where I got a steroid shot and a bottle of steroid pills. That was a month ago and the rash has pretty much subsided. The doc said “it looks like we have both a bug and plant thing going on here”. I could not wear shorts for a couple of weeks just because of what my legs LOOKED like. And did I mention the itching?

But I knew better. I’m still doing the clearing, but I wear long pants and use the bug stuff. No problems now. I’ll REALLY go to town after the first frost.


63 posted on 06/13/2012 1:20:16 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

—...but I’m not running...

To be frank, fear of SHTF was only about 20% of the reason for our moving here. It was the deal closer for me, though.


64 posted on 06/13/2012 1:21:31 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: blam

I truely identify with this article! It is great!


65 posted on 06/13/2012 1:33:23 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: cuban leaf

Cute pups. They look real happy.


66 posted on 06/13/2012 1:39:06 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: sueQ
"Blessed be the Lord my strength which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight: My goodness, and my fortress; my high tower, and my deliverer; my shield, and He in whom I trust."
67 posted on 06/13/2012 1:44:46 PM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: I see my hands
Very clever. At least you think so, I'm sure.

Been around prepper circles quite a bit. I've found they mostly consist of a bunch of uneducated lunatics talking a bunch of nonsense.

You better wise up and begin making mutual friends or you will get squashed like a lil bug. No matter how prepared you think you may be.

You'll be counting cans of pork-n-beans in your head while you fall asleep and around 4am you'll be flat on your back with nothing but your skiveez on and hands securely fastened behind your back with a muzzle between your pretty lil baby blues.

Not unless of course your a Mormon with twenty five chitlens to lend a hand.

Just sayin

68 posted on 06/13/2012 2:18:49 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: DuncanWaring

Yes, VFD.


69 posted on 06/13/2012 2:26:00 PM PDT by bgill
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To: servantboy777
"Just sayin"

Try thinking not just saying. Probably won't help you much but at least it will keep your yap shut for a second or two.


70 posted on 06/13/2012 2:35:44 PM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: PowderMonkey
I tend to mumble prayers under my breath, depending on the circumstances. That prayer, and Shepard's prayer always bothered my brother. He wasn't military. ;)

/johnny

71 posted on 06/13/2012 2:40:33 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: blam

No matter where you go you’re going to face some variety of the same problem. There is still a government entity in most places and there are still potentially restive locals.

In fact those two things go hand in hand and to some degree keep each other in check.

I suppose you could go to the North Pole and there wouldn’t be either there but there are practical issues with doing that.


72 posted on 06/13/2012 2:41:44 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: I see my hands

Thank the Lord I’m in Texas.

Good luck to ya. See ya on the front lines....well, perhaps not.


73 posted on 06/13/2012 2:45:28 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: servantboy777
Let's hope neither of us need it but good luck to you too.

74 posted on 06/13/2012 3:01:36 PM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Yep. I’m already there and I agree. I wouldn’t want to be any place other than high up in the mountains/boonies in a SHTF thing or any other thing. I love it here!


75 posted on 06/13/2012 3:53:50 PM PDT by bobby.223 (Retired high up in the mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a GREAT life!)
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To: All

Face it folks, no place is safe.
The only question is wether you are prepared to
deal with those that are a threat to YOU.

A bunker without a berm is a grave.
Even with a berm it might be your grave
but you won’t go alone.


76 posted on 06/13/2012 4:06:49 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: matt1234
They are just too stupid to realize gubmint won’t can't save them.

There.
Fixed it.

77 posted on 06/13/2012 4:26:36 PM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: tet68; All
"Pray cordial, united, strength for us all"
General Lee’s Prayer
78 posted on 06/13/2012 4:43:40 PM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: blam; Quix; Alamo-Girl; M. Espinola; whitedog57; stephenjohnbanker; kevcol; freekitty

Obama's Satanic Hand Signals

Obama Trade Document Leaked, Revealing New Corporate Powers And Broken Campaign Promises !

Every day King 0 tells more lies and breaks more promises. He is most surely under the control of evil demonic entities

79 posted on 06/13/2012 5:22:46 PM PDT by ex-Texan (Ecclesiastes 5:10 - 20)
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To: I see my hands

Well, the ones in my circle do happen to fall at the more “sensible” end of the lib spectrum if there is such a place.

Typically, while they adhere to some of the insanity, they all do exhibit the occasional flash of sense. They therefore have at least some potential to see the light one of these days.

The complete idiots I stay as far away from as I can.


80 posted on 06/14/2012 7:53:09 AM PDT by CanuckYank
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