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Britain unveils electronic mass surveillance plan
Earthlink ^ | June 14, 2012 | AP

Posted on 06/15/2012 9:10:44 AM PDT by JerseyanExile

Edited on 06/15/2012 11:11:44 AM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

British authorities on Thursday unveiled an ambitious plan to log details about every Web visit, email, phone call or text message in the U.K. and in a sharply-worded editorial the nation's top law enforcement official accused those worried about the surveillance program of being either criminals or conspiracy theorists.


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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; privacy; surveillance
Oh, and it gets even better. Someone did a touch more digging, and ferreted out that this also would apply to mail - that, in fact, the plan would basically legally require the police to open all letters that pass through the mail system in the UK.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120614/14141919329/uk-snoopers-charter-seeks-to-eliminate-pesky-private-communications.shtml

1 posted on 06/15/2012 9:10:57 AM PDT by JerseyanExile
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To: JerseyanExile

Big deal. We already have it.

(Except, perhaps, the opening of snail mail)


2 posted on 06/15/2012 9:14:42 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1242 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama is not a Big Brother [he's a Big Sissy...])
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To: JerseyanExile
And where, pray tell, is the UK going to get the money for that sort of surveillance?
3 posted on 06/15/2012 9:16:32 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: null and void
Oh, and I suspect someone is selling the data.

I posted an oblique reference to Viagra on a Hottie thread some weeks back and ever since then my email has been stuffed with enlargement spam.

4 posted on 06/15/2012 9:17:26 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1242 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama is not a Big Brother [he's a Big Sissy...])
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To: JerseyanExile
George Orwell was absolutely prophetic. Within 10 years they will be monitoring people in their own homes.
5 posted on 06/15/2012 9:18:15 AM PDT by MCF
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To: Little Ray

Selling data to spammers, just like we do?


6 posted on 06/15/2012 9:19:35 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1242 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama is not a Big Brother [he's a Big Sissy...])
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To: JerseyanExile

“...those worried about the surveillance program of being either criminals or conspiracy theorists.”

And those advocating it are paranoid control freaks, tyrants, totalitarians, perverse voyeurs and deviants, and advocates of fascism. It is not only that their ideas need to be utterly rebuked as loathsome to freedom and liberty, but that they, as individuals, need incarceration to protect the public from such twisted machinations and sociopathy.


7 posted on 06/15/2012 9:20:59 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: JerseyanExile

“The object of power is power. “ —GEORGE ORWELL


8 posted on 06/15/2012 9:21:17 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: JerseyanExile

monitoring the information in real time.

Home Office Secretary Theresa May said in an editorial published ahead of the bill’s unveiling that only evil-doers should be frightened.

“Our proposals are sensible and limited,” she wrote in The Sun, the country’s top-selling daily. “They will give the police and some other agencies access to data about online communications to tackle crime, exactly as they do now with mobile phone calls and texts. Unless you are a criminal, then you’ve nothing to worry about from this new law.”


It’s interesting to me how my feeling change over the years and as our governments become more oppressive.

“Only evil-doers should be frightened”, Really?! So what happens when they change or expand the definition of an evil-doer?

I love technology and how it makes our lives easier than what our parents and grand-parents had to deal with. But in retrospect my parents and Grand-parents were far more free than I am today. So many new Laws and regulations with the force of law are enacted EVERYDAY.

As Ayn Rand foresaw, we are all criminals today, and that’s how we will be controlled by the regime. Free men cannot be controlled in the same ways criminals can be.

Perhaps the luddites and neo-luddites are correct in their reasoning. Too much technology makes us serfs or slaves to those who would use that same technology to control all aspects of our lives.


9 posted on 06/15/2012 9:23:59 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: null and void

Hmmm. Sounds like it could show a net profit if it is organized properly! Maybe they should sell the rights to Google?


10 posted on 06/15/2012 9:24:58 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

If you want to glimpse the future, all you have to do is watch the movie “V for Vendetta”. Unless we are very careful this country will slide down that slippery slope and any semblance of our great nation will be nothing more than a memory. All references to it will be erased form the databanks.


11 posted on 06/15/2012 9:25:23 AM PDT by Widows Son (Semper Fi!)
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To: JerseyanExile

FUTM


12 posted on 06/15/2012 9:25:23 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: JerseyanExile

Well, this will certainly make it easier for the mullahs to control the peeps when they (soon) take over.


13 posted on 06/15/2012 9:25:58 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: JerseyanExile

To our dear British friends....

Perhaps now you understand why we took up muskets against your King in 1775...


14 posted on 06/15/2012 9:27:31 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Little Ray

Good idea! google already has all the infrastructure in place!


15 posted on 06/15/2012 9:30:01 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1242 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama is not a Big Brother [he's a Big Sissy...])
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To: Theresa May

"Unless you are a criminal, then you've nothing to worry about from this new law"

Trash like you are more of a threat than are criminals.


16 posted on 06/15/2012 9:31:01 AM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: JerseyanExile
I suggest they do a trial run -- all government employees should be under surveillance by the public. I want to know how much the clerk spends on booze. I want to know where the PM's income is really coming from. I want to know all of it. Who is in debt? Who sneaks away to a seedy hotel in the middle of the day? The public should know every little thing about anyone who works for the government.

If, after 5 years, this still seems like a good idea, then maybe the government should be allowed to watch the public.

17 posted on 06/15/2012 9:33:39 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Obama needs more time. After all -- Rome wasn't burned in a day.)
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To: null and void
Good idea! google already has all the infrastructure in place!

Look into who financed and gave google propreitary info as a startup....don't think for a minute it all came from the private sector. Many large co's are helped by the gov't for their own use down the road.

18 posted on 06/15/2012 9:34:05 AM PDT by trailhkr1 (All you need to know about Zimmerman, innocent = riots, manslaughter = riots, guilty = riots)
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To: null and void

Exactly, and no scruples as demostrated by their cooperation with the Red Chinese.


19 posted on 06/15/2012 9:42:27 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: trailhkr1
What Facebook is really doing
20 posted on 06/15/2012 9:42:46 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1242 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama is not a Big Brother [he's a Big Sissy...])
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To: Widows Son

[If you want to glimpse the future, all you have to do is watch the movie “V for Vendetta”.]

Thanks. I’ll check it out.


21 posted on 06/15/2012 9:44:54 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Little Ray
Maybe they should sell the rights to Google?

Google could be a supplier not a buyer.

22 posted on 06/15/2012 9:46:35 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: JerseyanExile

Well, there you have it.

The end of Western Civilization as we know it.


23 posted on 06/15/2012 9:47:41 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: JerseyanExile
"If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.">
Yeah, right.
Until I do ANYTHING or try to run for office, then every stupid thing I ever put in writing will become public.
It's state sponsored data gathering for blackmail purposes and to make people afraid to speak out on public forums.
We have no idea what will be illegal or "suspect" speech in the near future.

24 posted on 06/15/2012 9:50:04 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: JerseyanExile

They took Orwell’s cautionary tale, and used it as a bloody instruction manual.

Brilliant!


25 posted on 06/15/2012 10:01:12 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: JerseyanExile

The only way to prevent government from violating the privacy of its citizens is to prevent them from having the means to do so in the first place.


26 posted on 06/15/2012 10:15:16 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: The Working Man

“But in retrospect my parents and Grand-parents were far more free than I am today.”

Very much so.


27 posted on 06/15/2012 10:16:57 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone (The GOPe has played us like a violin for the last time; high time to build the Constitution Party.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Do you still have those muskets and are you currently using them?


28 posted on 06/15/2012 10:24:11 AM PDT by moose07 (The truth will out, one day.)
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To: null and void

As a pro-American conservative and ex-military, I will never understand why you thought the Patriot Act was a good thing.


29 posted on 06/15/2012 10:32:39 AM PDT by the scotsman (I)
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To: JerseyanExile

There is widespread, cross-political anger at this.
Many conservatives oppose this.


30 posted on 06/15/2012 10:33:51 AM PDT by the scotsman (I)
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To: MCF

I expected this from the control freak last govt.
Not this one.


31 posted on 06/15/2012 10:35:03 AM PDT by the scotsman (I)
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To: Widows Son

You already have.

The Patriot Act.


32 posted on 06/15/2012 10:36:59 AM PDT by the scotsman (I)
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To: the scotsman
I didn't. I was am horrified by the whole thing.
33 posted on 06/15/2012 10:37:58 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1242 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama is not a Big Brother [he's a Big Sissy...])
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To: Buckeye McFrog

In order to sign the Patriot Act 226 years later.

Good move.


34 posted on 06/15/2012 10:38:09 AM PDT by the scotsman (I)
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To: NormsRevenge

Support the Patriot Act?.

If so, tell me why that was not as stupid and appalling as this idiocy?.


35 posted on 06/15/2012 10:39:23 AM PDT by the scotsman (I)
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To: AFreeBird

Yep, and we had to borrow it back from the Bush administration.


36 posted on 06/15/2012 10:41:22 AM PDT by the scotsman (I)
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To: JerseyanExile
Home Office Secretary Theresa May said that only evil-doers should be frightened. "Our proposals are sensible and limited," she wrote. Unless you are a criminal, then you've nothing to worry about from this new law."

How can I help seeing what is in front of my eyes? Two and two are four." "Sometimes, Winston. Sometimes they are five. Sometimes they are three. Sometimes they are all of them at once. You must try harder. It is not easy to become sane."

If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face — forever."

- George Orwell, 1984


37 posted on 06/15/2012 11:04:45 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: JerseyanExile

https://www.torproject.org/


38 posted on 06/15/2012 11:14:59 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: Talisker

Just the term “Home Office” is so Orwellian.
The most powerful agency of the British Government named as if it were a discount office supply store.


39 posted on 06/15/2012 11:25:29 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: ClearCase_guy

Sounds like my idea for Obama Care. Government employees at all levels should beta test it first.


40 posted on 06/15/2012 11:34:58 AM PDT by khelus
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To: MCF
Within 10 years they will be monitoring people in their own homes.

If that's the case, I'll ratchet up my butt scratching, arm pit sniffing, nose picking, ear wax digging, zit popping and burping to every 10 minutes just to keep them entertained.

41 posted on 06/15/2012 11:42:27 AM PDT by bgill
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To: the scotsman

You guys were well on your way before Bush. How many CCTV cameras you got everywhere? I seem to recall I was reading about those back when Slick was in office.


42 posted on 06/15/2012 7:42:17 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: AFreeBird

True, although they were brought in to combat the IRA.


43 posted on 06/16/2012 3:06:46 AM PDT by the scotsman (I)
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