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To: JCBreckenridge
"What did Bedford Forrest have to say about that? Sure, it is a difficult battle, but we should not shirk for standing up for conservative principles, for the liberty of the individual, for the life of all the unborn children sacrificed on the altar of sustainability."

I submit that Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest was not defeated because he lacked courage or fortitude, he was overwhelmed by the weight of numbers. There were just too damn many Yankees and no amount of courage or self-sacrifice which Forrest exhibited in abundance could turn that tide.

Now you want to risk our liberties in and unequal contest in which we will be unable to cope with the sheer weight of leftist numbers. I don't know about your data concerning world population growth, but I tell you the population of the United States has gone from 140 million in 1942 to 310,000,000 in 2012. It has more than doubled!

If you think you can keep your liberty on this escalator, you are very much mistaken. The pity is, you will take the liberty of my children with you.

Nathan Forrest certainly would not tolerate others putting words in his mouth. I remind you that I explicitly stated that:

"In other instances, such as in China, they are wrong to do so by forced abortions, in effect a hideous holocaust."

You have absolutely no grounds whatsoever to imply that I would countenance such a thing in the United States. If you have followed my posts in inflexible opposition to abortion you would be aware of my position on this issue.

Finally, I share the suspicions of everyone on this board concerning motives of the people in Rio. If I am suspicious about their motives, I am absolutely paranoid about their methods.”

You have absolutely no warrant to insinuate as you did:

"Yet, you’ll still side with them at the end of the day. What do we call someone who knows that someone is in the wrong and yet chooses to fight for them anyways?"

That is utterly uncalled for.

Our differences are only tactical. Sooner or later you will have to come to the conclusion that you cannot prop up the economy by pumping up population. Sooner or later that Ponzi scheme must crash. If the population doubled in my lifetime, will you say "enough" when it doubles from 310 million to 620 million? It will not take another 70 years. Understand that the free exercise of your property rights and indeed all your liberties are absolutely threatened by overpopulation. I submit that you want to defend those rights at the ballot box after we have sustained a deluge of population growth. Be advised, at that time we simply cannot win. Then you will have your holocaust which we both dread.

Those who are concerned with liberty should be concerned about population.


37 posted on 06/18/2012 5:52:16 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

“I don’t know about your data concerning world population”

Worldwide TFR according to the CIA factbook is 2.47 children per mother.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/xx.html

Given a period of 25 years, this translate to a natural increase in the population of just .6 percent worldwide. 2/3rds of the world’s population growth is coming from natural aging, and people living longer than previous.

If we are going to be concerned about population, then we need to know what the actual facts and numbers are today, not what they were 70 years ago.

“I tell you the population of the United States has gone from 140 million in 1942 to 310,000,000 in 2012. It has more than doubled!”

Over a period of 70 years. At present, America has no natural growth, but is growing entirely through immigration. That will increase the population slowly, but your children are not going to see the population of the US double in their lifespan.

“If you think you can keep your liberty on this escalator”

Given as Americans have already killed 50 million American children - we are already paying the price for their shorsightedness. Do you think people are going to care about confiscating your property, if they have already killed their children?

“The pity is, you will take the liberty of my children with you.”

Quite the opposite. The population controllves have already done that for 50 million of my peers, since abortion was legalized. How is that liberty?

“You have absolutely no grounds whatsoever to imply that I would countenance such a thing in the United States.”

Then what do you propose to keep the population in check in order to enforce your beliefs that the US should stop growing.

“If you have followed my posts in inflexible opposition to abortion you would be aware of my position on this issue.”

Well, unfortunately your ‘inflexible opposition’ doesn’t seem all that inflexible. Arguing we need to keep the population down is exactly the same argument that they are making. Do you not see this?

“Our differences are only tactical. Sooner or later you will have to come to the conclusion that you cannot prop up the economy by pumping up population.”

On the contrary. An economy based upon supply and demand has grown, only where the population has grown, and contracted where the population has contracted.

“Sooner or later that Ponzi scheme must crash.”

And the death of 50 million young americans will ensure that this occurs sooner rather than later. That is what the population controllers have wrought. People are not just mouths to feed, they are the productive engine of a democracy.

“If the population doubled in my lifetime, will you say “enough” when it doubles from 310 million to 620 million?”

Then shoot yourself in the head. Go ahead. You say we have a surplus in population, then kill yourself.

“It will not take another 70 years.”

Right on that. It will take far longer if it ever happens.

“Understand that the free exercise of your property rights and indeed all your liberties are absolutely threatened by overpopulation.”

How so? My liberties are threatened by the population controllers who have killed 50 million Americans over the last 40 years. 1/3rd of all pregnancies in that period. This is ‘liberty’? Looks far more like tyranny.

“I submit that you want to defend those rights at the ballot box after we have sustained a deluge of population growth. Be advised, at that time we simply cannot win. Then you will have your holocaust which we both dread.”

We are already having the holocaust of 50 million dead Americans. Do you not see this?

Those who are concerned about liberty need to defend the right to life of the unborn.


40 posted on 06/18/2012 6:08:51 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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