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Florida judge hears 'birther' challenge to Obama re-election bid
Bay News 9 ^ | 6-18-12 | Troy Kinsley

Posted on 06/19/2012 12:04:11 PM PDT by STARWISE

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“But in a hearing Monday, attorney Larry Klayman told a judge Obama's birth certificate isn't the only issue; the President's father, Barack Obama Sr., was never an American citizen."

AMEN!

Full Hearing Video (scroll up to 03:15 to begin video)

Video - NBC's WPTV-5: Florida Obama Ballot Access Challenge Hearing Coverage (and Larry Klayman)


1 posted on 06/19/2012 12:04:20 PM PDT by STARWISE
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To: penelopesire; maggief; hoosiermama; SE Mom; Liz; rodguy911; Fred Nerks; Red Steel; mojitojoe; ...

..Ping!


2 posted on 06/19/2012 12:05:35 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: STARWISE

I can only hope that those that were sworn to uphold the Constitution of the United States will do so.

Blessings, Bobo


3 posted on 06/19/2012 12:09:36 PM PDT by bobo1
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To: STARWISE
Someone needs to inform Mark Herron that the ONLY Supreme Court legal precedent for natural-born citizenship inherently precludes Obama from being Constitutionally eligible for office: all children born in the country to parents who were its citizens. The Minor decision was cited as the primary legal precedent, not Wong Kim Ark's definition of 14th amendment birth citizenship, in Luria v. United States some 15 years AFTER Wong Kim Ark was decided:
Under our Constitution, a naturalized citizen stands on an equal footing with the native citizen in all respects save that of eligibility to the Presidency. Minor v. Happersett, 21 Wall. 162, 88 U. S. 165; Elk v. Wilkins, 112 U. S. 94, 112 U. S. 101; Osborn v. Bank of United States, 9 Wheat. 738, 22 U. S. 827.

4 posted on 06/19/2012 12:12:30 PM PDT by edge919
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To: STARWISE

“His father was not an American citizen, not at any time,”

He was if his father was Malcolm X, which is why I think they have kept all of Bozo’s information hidden including his BC!


5 posted on 06/19/2012 12:28:48 PM PDT by Batman11 (Obama's poll numbers are so low the Kenyans are claiming he was born in the USA!)
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To: STARWISE

Hmm, first time an msm reporter seems to have written an accurate account of court proceedings regarding this. Maybe just a decent reporter for once, or maybe they’re starting to sweat and take it seriously.


6 posted on 06/19/2012 12:31:49 PM PDT by kreitzer
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To: edge919

Gee, I hadn’t heard of Minor v. Happersett.


7 posted on 06/19/2012 12:36:10 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Democrats soil institutions)
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To: Batman11

But HI State Registrar Alvin Onaka in an official communication just indirectly confirmed to AZ SOS Ken Bennett that they have NO legally-valid birth record for Obama whatsoever.

So whatever BC Obama used his whole life - regardless of who was listed as the papa - was from someplace besides Hawaii.

Deep, deep doo-doo.

http://www.coachisright.com/howd-you-like-a-nice-hawaiian-sucker-punch/


8 posted on 06/19/2012 12:37:59 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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>" He was if his father was Malcolm X, which is why I think they have kept all of Bozo’s information hidden including his BC! "

That'd get him 98% of the black vote. Of course it'd lose him 98 % of the white vote.

Seems like a logical reason to withhold his REAL BC!

9 posted on 06/19/2012 12:46:46 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: rawcatslyentist

His real BC is not from Hawaii. The HI State Registrar indirectly confirmed that they have no legally-valid birth record for Obama in Hawaii.

http://www.coachisright.com/howd-you-like-a-nice-hawaiian-sucker-punch/


10 posted on 06/19/2012 12:49:17 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: edge919
Someone needs to inform Mark Herron that the ONLY Supreme Court legal precedent for natural-born citizenship inherently precludes Obama from being Constitutionally eligible for office: all children born in the country to parents who were its citizens. The Minor decision was cited as the primary legal precedent, not Wong Kim Ark's definition of 14th amendment birth citizenship, in Luria v. United States some 15 years AFTER Wong Kim Ark was decided:

Yes.

And from the article:

Obama administration lawyer Mark Herron calls that ridiculous. He says nowhere in the Constitution does it say a 'natural born citizen' has to have American-born parents.

It also doesn't say abortion or ObamaCare is a right too. Herron lives up to his name as in Red Herr[on]ing. In his final statement to the judge, he said, you can ignore the old "treatise" and to similar effect.

Translation- judge ignore all the Supreme Court opinions.

11 posted on 06/19/2012 12:53:45 PM PDT by Red Steel
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The father of record is the Kenyan bigamist. THAT is the legal controling point, so it is really just an exercise in diversionary rabbit holes to argue over the sperm donor. Little barry bastard commie is not a natural born citizen according to the way the SCOTUS has used that term in the past. The current pirate Roberts court is avoiding the issue, as instructed, so the only way We The People have left to remove this treacherous commie is to vote him out with all his entourage of thugs. The democrat party should be driven from politics for their treachery, their treasonous work in placing a known non-eligible lying commie in office. Just remember when the collapse comes that it is directly appointable to the democrat party and their leadership, sustained by the foolish idiocy of democrap voters.


12 posted on 06/19/2012 12:56:44 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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“Those statements conflict with the United States Supreme Court opinions, ..." Herron said.

No it doesn't Red Herring.

13 posted on 06/19/2012 1:00:48 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: STARWISE
Of course Klayman is correct, meaning that Rubio and Jindal are also ineligible for the same reason. The calculation that enough of the public will depend for their interpretation of the Constitution upon the propagandists of the media and the large number of people afraid of or dependent upon our redirected taxes for survival like Mark Levin and law school professors, that the real discussion will die out.

When the discussion begins with “Because it was not defined in the Constitution...” the public is being played. The Constitution does not include definitions, with but one borderline refinement of the term “treason.” As Chief Justice Waite, among many justices and principal framer James Madison explained, "At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar..." No coherent legal Supreme Court reinterpretation of Chief Justice Waite's Minor v. Happersett exists. To his credit, Klayman cites the postive law source, though one can clearly cite Chief Justice Marshall, Chief Justice Jay, Chief Justice Hughes, 14th Amendment Bingham, and dozens of other cases. Jefferson made Vattel our first law book at our first law school, at William and Mary in 1779. Minor v. Happersett: "It was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens..."

We at FR have probably seen the whole playbook from the Anita Dunn gang in the White House, from mis-citing Wong Kim Ark, to obscure state court decisions. Federal judges too have become a sad joke, showing the real result of the political patronage at the core of our judicial system. Law is what the mandarins make it. Black robes are not enough. Our legal system is a corrupt mess. Our party system, including the Republicans, who are pounding the big lie by promoting Rubio, are corrupt as well, but don't have the police, justice department or IRS to quiet free speech.

I don't know what legal problems Klayman has had in the past, but am betting we will soon learn.

14 posted on 06/19/2012 1:01:13 PM PDT by Spaulding
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To: Batman11

Because his mother was a foreigner and he was born in another country and his name is not legally BHO.


15 posted on 06/19/2012 1:01:47 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: STARWISE
He was an Indonesian citizen under his step father (no questions about Lolo being Indonesian and Muzzy) where is the record of reclaiming US Citizenship upon returning to Hi?
16 posted on 06/19/2012 1:07:18 PM PDT by Foolsgold (L I B Lacking in Brains)
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To: Batman11

I keep wondering that, with every SoS or other official challenger drops their challenge,

did the Hawaii SoS simply show them that BO’s father is not officially who BO says he was, and was an actual citizen, but one that would be politically detrimental to come clean about.


17 posted on 06/19/2012 1:08:58 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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What I found hilarious (and telling), was that 0bama’s lawyers didn’t want to address the substance of the issue,

but were arguing that Klayman didn’t have any reason to be in court over this because ‘bammers wasn’t yet officially the democrat candidate in Florida.


18 posted on 06/19/2012 1:11:50 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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The HI State Registrar confirmed to Ken Bennett that the claims on the posted long-form BC are the same claims as on their official record. But because he refused to verify any of the claims on Bennett’s verification request form, Onaka indirectly confirmed that the record they have for Obama is NOT LEGALLY VALID.

Presumably because it is late and altered. Obama’s people had to forge both the COLB and the long-form in order to remove the signs of the document’s legal non-validity, which are required to be on the official document.

Hawaii can’t say when, where, or to whom Obama was born because the record they have is too questionable for them to be able to vouch for its claims - as per Hawaii statute.


19 posted on 06/19/2012 1:23:17 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: MrB

I know .. it’s beyond absurd ..

Like, we have to pass the bill to see
what is in it .... DUH

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“Fighting to recapture the magic of his history-making 2008 campaign, President Barack Obama on Saturday laid out his fullest-yet case for reelection, pleading with struggling Americans to “keep believing in me” and hitting out at presumptive Republican nominee Mitt Romney.

“If people ask you what this campaign is about, you tell them ‘it’s still about hope.’ You tell them ‘it’s still about change,’” he told a cheering mass of supporters at Ohio State University in Columbus, six months and one day before the election. “I still believe in you. And I’m asking you to keep believing in me.”

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-pleads-rally-m-asking-keep-believing-192210483.html


20 posted on 06/19/2012 1:39:08 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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