[packrat35]

That’s good for you but MOST women will NOT respect you no matter how much they say it is OK when it starts. I have had some experience in this and almost always it leads to bitter feelings for the woman.

Seen it with other people too, so I am not just talking about me.

[papertyger]

I have had some experience in this and almost always it leads to bitter feelings for the woman.

"Bitter feelings" are damn near endemic to women without adequate leadership.