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Birthers reading Vattel, who didn’t realize the phrase NBC only occurred in the 1797 translation, 10 years AFTER the Constitution was written, have tried to make it an issue by claiming Vattel was the basis for the NBC phrase.

Vattel wrote in Swiss French before the US Constitution was written.

In 1787 the constitution was written containing the phrase Natural Born Citizen.

In 1797 The law of Nations was translated from French to English and relevant phrase was converted into English as “Natural Born Citizen.”

That means the translator understood the Swiss french words from the old edition to have the same meaning as the English phrase “Natural Born Citizen,” the three word phrase which can *only* have come from the US constitution, since John Jay is the source of the complete English phrase.

The only reason to use Natural Born Citizen in the Translation is if the new translation of Vattels concept is in agreement in meaning with the concept contained in Article II.

The concept is vattel’s, the English language phrase NBC is first used by John Jay in his letter to George Washington, which the founders then used in the Constitution.

The founders consulted the “Law of Nations” on the matter of citizenship, that much is known.

115 posted on 06/21/2012 8:49:24 PM PDT by Exmil_UK
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To: Exmil_UK

“That means the translator understood the Swiss french words from the old edition to have the same meaning as the English phrase “Natural Born Citizen,” the three word phrase which can *only* have come from the US constitution, since John Jay is the source of the complete English phrase.”

No.

First, there IS a French phrase for NBS/NBC: “sujets naturel”. It was used in legal documents for NBC.

Second, NBC was used by legislatures prior to the Constitution, and it was used interchangeably with natural born subject. As an example:

In February, 1785, the Massachusetts legislature passed “AN ACT FOR NATURALIZING NICHOLAS ROUSSELET AND GEORGE SMITH.” in which it was declared that Nicholas Rousselet and George Smith “shall be deemed, adjudged, and taken to be citizens of this Commonwealth, and entitled to all the liberties, rights and privileges of natural born citizens.”

In July, 1785, the Massachusetts legislature passed “AN ACT FOR NATURALIZING MICHAEL WALSH.” in which it was declared that Michael Walsh “shall be deemed, adjudged, and taken to be a citizen of this Commonwealth, and entitled to all the liberties, rights and privileges of a natural born citizen.”

In July, 1786, the Massachusetts legislature passed “AN ACT FOR NATURALIZING JONATHAN CURSON AND WILLIAM OLIVER” in which it was declared that Jonathan Curson and William Oliver “shall be deemed adjudged and taken to be free Citizens of this Commonwealth, and entitled to all the liberties, privileges and immunities of natural born citizens.”

In March, 1787, the Massachusetts legislature passed “AN ACT FOR NATURALIZING WILLIAM MARTIN AND OTHERS.” in which it was declared that William Martin and Others,”shall be deemed, adjudged and taken to be free Citizens of this Commonwealth, and entitled to all the liberties, privileges and immunities of natural born subjects.”

In March, 1787, the Massachusetts legislature passed “AN ACT FOR NATURALIZING EDWARD WYER AND OTHERS THEREIN NAMED.” in which it was declared that William Martin and Others,”shall be deemed, adjudged and taken, to be free Citizens of this Commonwealth, and entitled to all the liberties, privileges and immunities of natural born subjects.”

Vattel never used the French term, when writing in the 1750s. And the legislatures that ratified the US Constitution DID use the term prior to the drafting of the Constitution, as the American equivalent of natural born subject.

That is why this birther nonsense won’t go anywhere - the US Supreme Court has already pointed out that NBC is the American version of NBS. Deal with it, or continue to be laughed at in court.


116 posted on 06/21/2012 9:14:30 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (A conservative can't please a liberal unless he jumps in front of a bus or off of a cliff)
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