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Romney’s conversion on abortion - Is it authentic?
LifeSite News ^ | June 18, 2012 | Dr. Jack Willke

Posted on 06/20/2012 7:41:28 AM PDT by hocndoc

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To: Tennessee Nana

Can you find a Link or source? I’ve looked and can only find references to that 1994 debate.


21 posted on 06/20/2012 9:01:26 AM PDT by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed, not afraid to use it. Hold Rs to promises, don't watch O keep his.)
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To: humblegunner

I’m not responsible for Dr. Willke’s use of titles, but this account is from a 1980 interview.


22 posted on 06/20/2012 9:03:37 AM PDT by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed, not afraid to use it. Hold Rs to promises, don't watch O keep his.)
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To: hocndoc

MISTER Willke published it a couple of days ago, but perhaps
he is unaware that PRESIDENT Bush was eventually elected to
some minor non-medical make-work job unworthy of his notice.

OK, I’m done. Carry on.


23 posted on 06/20/2012 9:11:47 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Tennessee Nana

I have never liked Dr. Wilke. While he was in charge of National Right to Life, more abortions were performed each year. Sure, they have the big rally once a year in Washington, but what have they actually done to stop abortion? His group actually promoted exceptions for rape and incest under his watch, which goes against what being pro-life is all about. If another group would stand up to them and be against exceptions, NRTL and Wilke would push against them and try to minimize them. Sometimes I actually thought he and his group were working for the other side. They may as well have for all the good they did.

I don’t believe Wilke knows what he’s talking about regarding Romney. Romney is a political opportunist and has changed his mind too many times to be taken seriously. If he had changed to pro-life at a time when it wouldn’t have been political expedient for him, I would be inclined to believe he had a real conversion. But his stands on abortion always coincided with what would do him the most good politically at the time.


24 posted on 06/20/2012 9:17:07 AM PDT by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: humblegunner

At least we in the medical field have never pretended to be able to predict future elections.


25 posted on 06/20/2012 9:35:06 AM PDT by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed, not afraid to use it. Hold Rs to promises, don't watch O keep his.)
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To: hocndoc

It weas the 1st or 2nd debate...

I didnt know Willard Mitt romney before that and there were about 12 candidates on the stage...

I only knew about 1/2 of them...

When he was asked an abortion Q Romney answered it starting with the death of his aunt and my heart went out to him...

I felt sad for him...

But then he did a 180 on what i thought he would say next...

and i was angry at him for my wasted sympathy..

Check the early 2008 debates...


26 posted on 06/20/2012 9:37:15 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: hocndoc

It wouldn’t be such a stretch, given the omniscience and all...


27 posted on 06/20/2012 9:39:27 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: hocndoc

I’ve looked and can only find references to that 1994 debate.
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What about the 2002 debate where there was a discussion on the age of the child for parental notification ???

Willie Mitty states that if the parents wont let the underage child get an abortion then the child can get permission from a judge who will overrtuled parental authority...

Oh yes Willie Mitty is NOT and never has been pro-life...

(so much for happy families forever)


28 posted on 06/20/2012 9:42:41 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: murron

His group actually promoted exceptions for rape and incest under his watch, which goes against what being pro-life is all about.
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Yes unfortunately that is true...

the very “reason” for Roe V Wade...


29 posted on 06/20/2012 9:47:23 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: wagglebee
1980 was the first time that abortion had ever been an issue in a national election.

Yes, the timing is important. Way back then, most people hadn't thought about abortion, one way or another. They hadn't given the issue any serious consideration, or really looked into the pros and cons.

Romney, on the other hand, converted from pro-life to pro-abort while he was Governor of Massachusetts. By that time, the issue was perfectly clear, and everyone had heard the arguments from both sides.

Now he's converting back to pro-life? That might make sense if he had had a religious conversion, but there are no signs of that. He has been an LDS leader all his life, top of the heap.

The same difference applies to Ronald Reagan. When he signed off on the bill in California, he really hadn't considered the issues. But his advisers clued him in, later, and when he ran for President he HAD experienced a genuine conversion.

That seemed obvious enough to me at the time, so I gladly voted for him. But it is FAR from obvious with Mitt Romney. Somehow, he always announces these changes when it is politically convenient, although by now he is fully aware of what the issues are.

30 posted on 06/20/2012 10:45:57 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: hocndoc

RomneyCare Covers Abortions.
Mitt & Ann Romney: Planned Parenthood Donors
Abortions now FREE under RomneyCare.

31 posted on 06/20/2012 12:25:16 PM PDT by Lady4Liberty (Watch Romney DESTROY Obama at his own game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYvx4UfM8RA)
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To: hocndoc; BlackElk; Diogenesis

Willard is and will always be a pathological liar. Period.


32 posted on 06/20/2012 12:34:22 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Thank you for your baseless prognostication, as well as a completely unsourced opinion.

However, regardless of your unchangeable bias about Romney, Dr. Jack Willke is not a liar. Dr.William Hurlbut is not a liar.

It’s doubtful that a phoney would have used up political capital on vetoing the morning after pill and the embryonic stem cell bills, as Romney did in 2005.


33 posted on 06/20/2012 2:07:06 PM PDT by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed, not afraid to use it. Hold Rs to promises, don't watch O keep his.)
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To: Lady4Liberty; Tennessee Nana

Whatever you want to believe about Romney, you have to remember who Jack Willke is and what his testimony is worth, as well as the heat Romney took for vetoing the embryonic stem cell and morning after pill bills.

Those vetoes were each over-ridden by the Mass. legislature.


34 posted on 06/20/2012 2:11:08 PM PDT by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed, not afraid to use it. Hold Rs to promises, don't watch O keep his.)
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To: hocndoc; BlackElk; EternalVigilance; Diogenesis

Shove it and your ignorant comments. I’ve known Willard 18 years. Have you ? He is a pathological liar who will say ANYTHING to get elected. He was raised in a pro-abort family, both parents, whom were infamous in their stance. Anyone who trusts anything he says as gospel is a complete fool, especially when running for the highest office.

BTW, a Gubernatorial “veto” in MA is nothing short of a worthless farce. With super-majorities of 90% Democrats in the MA legislature, ultraleft legislation will get through, period.


35 posted on 06/20/2012 2:29:16 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Had coffee with someone you consider a “pathological liar” for 18 years? Maybe that means *you* changed your mind, but won’t believe anyone else could.

I doubt Romney hangs out much in Tennessee or that you “know” him better than anyone else on FR..

Read the article about the “conversion.” Are you calling Dr. Willke a liar or “a fool?”


36 posted on 06/20/2012 2:35:26 PM PDT by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed, not afraid to use it. Hold Rs to promises, don't watch O keep his.)
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To: Cicero

Romney, on the other hand, converted from pro-life to pro-abort while he was Governor of Massachusetts.
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No

Willard was always pro-abortion...

he ran for Gov of MASS in 2002 as pro-abortion...argued during a debate he was the most pro-abortion...wanted judges to allow underage girls to get abortions if their parents said no...

He was pro-abortion when he and Ann were giving money to Planned Parenthood...

he was pro-abortion back in 1994...ran to the left of Teddy as more pro-abortion than he was...

In 1980 He was a liberal pro-abortion Independant or Democrat and never met Reagan or voted for him...

and as Ann said they had no Republican friends nor knew anyone who was republican till 1994...

he agreed with his mother on her pro-abortion platform in 1970...

He wanted abortion to be safe and legal when his aunt died durinbg an abortion in the early 1960s...

Lifelong pro-abortion...


37 posted on 06/20/2012 2:43:00 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Cicero

Romney, on the other hand, converted from pro-life to pro-abort while he was Governor of Massachusetts.
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No

Willard was always pro-abortion...

he ran for Gov of MASS in 2002 as pro-abortion...argued during a debate he was the most pro-abortion...wanted judges to allow underage girls to get abortions if their parents said no...

He was pro-abortion when he and Ann were giving money to Planned Parenthood...

he was pro-abortion back in 1994...ran to the left of Teddy as more pro-abortion than he was...

In 1980 He was a liberal pro-abortion Independant or Democrat and never met Reagan or voted for him...

and as Ann said they had no Republican friends nor knew anyone who was republican till 1994...

he agreed with his mother on her pro-abortion platform in 1970...

He wanted abortion to be safe and legal when his aunt died durinbg an abortion in the early 1960s...

Lifelong pro-abortion...


38 posted on 06/20/2012 2:45:01 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: hocndoc

In brief, here’s Romney’s record, ending with the 4th time
for abortion so NO actions on his part to show he is for
life. Did Romney ever “act” for life?

- pro-choice in ‘94; pro-life in ‘01; choice ‘02; pro-life ‘04; choice ‘05; life in ‘06; then funded abortion in ‘06

I would call this, the record of a habitual liar.

Pray for Mitt’s conversion, Mormons are not Christian.


39 posted on 06/20/2012 2:50:11 PM PDT by stpio
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To: hocndoc
There you go again obsessing over my locale, as if that has one iota to do with the discussion at hand. But you are always big on red herrings since you lose every argument you ever have with me.

I'm calling anyone who believes anything the man says in the quest for the Presidency to be either #1, blindly partisan (and hence willing to overlook facts), #2, being paid off for their support, or #3, a fool.

But don't you fret none, honey, it ain't like Willke is the first person to have been hosed by a master con-artist.

Here's that ardent "pro-lifer" Willard being dragged kicking and screaming into signing off on cheap abortions and Socialist medicine. Can't you just see how heartbroken he is here ?

40 posted on 06/20/2012 2:51:48 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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