The Obamanation's will either blame this on W or Israel--
Posted on 06/22/2012 8:19:50 AM PDT by cunning_fish
Lebanon's Hezbollah-owned Al-Manar television station said on Friday that Syrian air defenses shot down a Turkish military aircraft, quoting Syrian security sources.
"Syrian security sources confirmed to a Manar correspondent in Damascus that Syrian defense forces shot down the Turkish fighter jet," a news flash on the Beirut-based station said.
Pro-Iranian Al-Mayadeen television station, which is based in Lebanon, also quoted what it said were Turkish sources as saying a jet had been shot down by Syrian air defenses.
There was no confirmation of either report. Earlier, Turkey -- a member of NATO -- said it had lost contact with a plane while it was over the sea off the southeastern coast, and a television station said it had crashed in Syrian territorial waters.
CNN Turk television said Turkey was in contact with the Syrian authorities to get permission to conduct a search for the airmen, although there was no immediate official confirmation.
In a statement, Turkey's military said a search and rescue operation was underway. It lost radar and radio contact with the plane after it took off from Erhac Airport in the eastern province of Malatya.
Two crew were aboard the F-4 at the time of the crash, the Turkish state news agency Anatolia said on its website, citing Malatya governor Ulvi Saran.
The Hurriyet daily newspaper reported that the plane had gone down in international waters and that the two airmen had been found alive and well following a search operation by Turkish forces.
The Chief of General Staff declined to comment further on the incident beyond the written statement.
Turkish warplanes regularly patrol along and off Turkey's southern Mediterranean coast.
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Muzzie vs Muzzie almost as much fun as rat vs rat
The Obamanation's will either blame this on W or Israel--
at least the Syrians shot down a Turkish aircraft, not a NATO aircraft ... (?)
Man, the turks are STILL flying phantoms?
I would have thought they would have upgraded by now
Uh, Isn’t Turkey a NATO country?............
AFAIK, about 250 Turkish-built F-16s are backbone of their airforce. F-4s are used for strike roles.
who said, all wars are bad? Iran/Iraq war we had no Islamic problems while it was going on.
Maybe they did maybe they didn't.
Turkey is a NATO ally, they could theoretically invoke the treaty.
that NATO thingy ... now we go to red alert or have more popcorn? Either way or not either way could one say that Turkey (of a plane) was cooked? Has anyone confirmed this is not a ruse or false flag? Can we trust our media to tell us the truth?
“Turkey is a NATO ally, they could theoretically invoke the treaty.”
Well, as soon as it shot over Syrian waters it is hardly an attack against a NATO country.
I suspect they would have trouble invoking the treaty if the Turkish plane was over Syria.
Beat me by 2 seconds! :)
You are welcome!;)
Given the source, how does this glorify DumBO?
If this turns out to be true, could be HUGE!! Turks are not to be messed with; unknown what side their current Islamic leader will take, but I bet the military is looking to kick serious ass right now. If Turks fully side with rebels in Syria, Assad is toast.
Assad has really done it now. The Turks are about to deliver a beating on him. Remember Assad the Elder gave haven to Kurdish armed groups in northern Syria until the Turks decided to send their army into Syria and taught him a lesson.
excellent points ... excellent points. Should probably re-post your post in bold. Hey everyone ... dead is on the money with post at #9 (imho).
We'll see if Zero comes to the aid of his good friend Erdogan.
Yes that is true Turkey is a Nato country
Uh oh ....
As per Hürriyet, the Syrians apologized.
Turkey sucks less than Syria. Let them have a war that Turkey wins.
They have more than just phantoms.
Thanks for the information. Chose the above as the truth which is known at this point based on this ... However, the plot thickens: just recently on Hürriyet, this came out: Turkish Prime Minister says cannot say whether Turkish warplane shot down or crashed, no news on pilots. This all looks high level from the reading of your post. May be layers of ruses and fuses are being lit. A prayer this is not what is taking place. May cooler heads prevail, and may zer0 or anyone in this gang not open his or their mouths. Imho ... a serious situation could be cooled if time is taken to find out what actually happened. May the time be taken.
DO NOT lump the Turks in with the Crazies. Turkey has had it’s own Muslim problems with the Crazies (as they call them) for years.
Turks proved themselves in Korea and elsewhere. If you want to see a history of a man who brought peace, stability and democracy to a portion of the ME, read the history of Mustafa Kemal Atatürk at Wiki.
PS. I’m there about 2-3 times a year.
Hotels, nightclubs (and women) in Istanbul are far beyond anything in NY, and the beaches around Anatolya are incredible. Water is a clear perfect blue/green.
He was so kind to Australian and NZ POWs after the Battle of Gallipoli that the former POWs built memorials to him in Aust and NZ.
Was there once on the anniversary of his death. At that moment, everything in the country stops... and I mean everything. No traffic, no airplanes in the sky, nothing, and then everyone singe a song in remembrance of him. It is broadcast on TV and radio, so imagine EVERY citizen in the country singing the song at once.
Very moving.
That’s a stupid thing to say void of any obvious intelligence on your part. It’s obvious you know little about the Turks.
Whatever though, continue on if it makes you feel good I guess.
I just read an article that said Magog is not Russia.
The article said Magog is Turkey.
Yeah, they were so helpful when we needed their assistance during operation Iraqi Freedom.
Syria did this or their Russian “advisers”? I’d guess the latter.
Was this flight on purpose, hoping that it would get shot down, for a pretext? Phantoms are rather obsolete so it wasn’t that much of a loss. As for the crew, these aren’t the kind of people to worry about loss of life.
Depends on one’s perspective, Turko-Ottoman history has not always left positive mark.
What gets more interesting is now that PM Erdogan cannot confirm or deny 1)the jet was actually shot down by Syria, and 2)that he’s actually received an apology from Damascus.
Hmmm.
As you said, let’s help cooler heads prevail on this one, and that U.S. government officials needs to keep their piehole shut. If people are a given a chance to cool down a bit and ascertain precisely what happened, then maybe missiles or air raids don’t get launched in the heat of the moment.
Well, Turkey certainly has been more assertive lately, some say they have Neo-Ottoman ambitions. Too many memories of Ottoman oppression still linger and considering their previous attempt at creating the caliphate, not too many folks would appreciate a Turkish resurgence.
At some point, people just appreciate order, which results in food for the starving.
Communists provided order and food for the starving, we all know how well that turned out.
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/official_texts_17120.htm
Article 5
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security .
Article 6
For the purpose of Article 5, an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack:
on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America, on the Algerian Departments of France (2), on the territory of or on the Islands under the jurisdiction of any of the Parties in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer;
on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties, when in or over these territories or any other area in Europe in which occupation forces of any of the Parties were stationed on the date when the Treaty entered into force or the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer.
You are exactly correct. Syria is outside the territory specified in the NATO treaty; this does not justify using NATO forces.
Is this big? It sounds pretty big! I wonder if I should take a shower. I’d have to go home or... wait... somebody told me there’s a shower on the 22nd floor of this building.
I gotta go check! BRB!
Many different people have speculated on just who and where is Magog, or The Land of Gog.
Here is a 1687 map that shows Magog as being in modern day Mongolia / China..................
http://www.geographicus-archive.com/P/AntiqueMap/Asia-rossi-1697
You can clik on the map to enlarge it and see the names and scripts.................
No no NO. . . I mean, I think it may be hugh two, but what makes it so innersting is that Ivan has been beefing up Syria for the last month. I’ve been waiting to find out why. If the Turkmen go banzai with Syria they may find they’ve done nothing but poke a stick at a big, surly Russian bear that is spoiling for a fight.
No no NO. . . I mean, I think it may be hugh two, but what makes it so innersting is that Ivan has been beefing up Syria for the last month. I’ve been waiting to find out why. If the Turkmen go banzai with Syria they may find they’ve done nothing but poke a stick at a big, surly Russian bear that is spoiling for a fight.
No. IF Assad goes down, then you get another muslum brotherhood spy base. Israel would REALLY be squeezed if that happened.
Turkey is now governed by the Islamist AKP. This is not the Turkey of Attaturk, who killed the last Caliphate, but of the Muslim Brotherhood allied Gullen movement, which seeks to restore it.
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