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Russia's new military side arm the "Strizh" is a very impressive weapon! (New Russian pistol)
http://www.examiner.com/article/russia-s-new-military-side-arm-the-strizh-is-a-very-mpressive-weapon ^

Posted on 06/24/2012 5:52:22 AM PDT by kronos77

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The Russian Armed Forces will take delivery of a new 9-mm handgun to replace the Makarov pistol, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said. This is part of the military’s effort to upgrade its military forces.

The Strizh handgun has said to be better performance than the Austrian-made Glock 17, a favorite of special forces worldwide, Rogozin said.

According to the article, the weapon is a 9 mm, has a slim-profile polymer frame, an easy-to-rack slide with rear and front serrations, an ambidextrous magazine release and a Picatinny rail for mounting special sights.

The pistol also features three safety mechanisms to prevent accidental firing.

The Strizh (which means “Swift”) holds 18-round or 30-round ammunition clips, and can be equipped with a flashlight and a laser sight.

(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: arms; banglist; guns; russia; sourcetitlenoturl; strizh; weapons
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1 posted on 06/24/2012 5:52:38 AM PDT by kronos77
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To: kronos77

>>In my view the Strizh is a very impressive weapon!

>>I would have to say I would certainly hate to get shot by one!

Someone should explain to the author that the 9mm round is the thing you don’t want to get shot with, and that’s the same in any 9mm pistol.


2 posted on 06/24/2012 5:58:04 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: kronos77

When can I get one?


3 posted on 06/24/2012 6:00:07 AM PDT by mozarky2 (Ya never stand so tall as when ya stoop to stomp a statist!)
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To: Bryanw92

do your Christmas shopping early


4 posted on 06/24/2012 6:00:15 AM PDT by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: kronos77

Looks very similar to the Springfield XD, which is a Czech design


5 posted on 06/24/2012 6:01:42 AM PDT by 5Madman2 (There is no such thing as an experienced suicide bomber)
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To: 5Madman2

I believe the XD is made in Croatia.


6 posted on 06/24/2012 6:03:07 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: 5Madman2

Russians copying someone else’s design. No way


7 posted on 06/24/2012 6:04:52 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: kronos77

8 posted on 06/24/2012 6:07:46 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: kronos77

Oh goody! This means that there will be a pile of Russian Makarovs for sale in America.


9 posted on 06/24/2012 6:09:50 AM PDT by fini
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Dooh, You’re right

Thanks.

Got it Mixed up with the CZ Pistols


10 posted on 06/24/2012 6:11:41 AM PDT by 5Madman2 (There is no such thing as an experienced suicide bomber)
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To: Bryanw92

As usual the lying Russians can’t explain why their stuff is “deadlier”
or how the Strizh is better than a Ruger SR9, Glock 17, FNP-9, Sp2022 Sig, Smith&Wesson M&P, The Caracal, or the XDM 9mm.


11 posted on 06/24/2012 6:12:48 AM PDT by omega4179 ( el 0bama comio un perro)
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To: kronos77
This is impressive:


12 posted on 06/24/2012 6:16:21 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: mozarky2
When can I get one?

Said to be available worldwide September 2012 through Arsenal Firearms.

13 posted on 06/24/2012 6:19:47 AM PDT by JohnG45
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To: kronos77

It looks like a good design.

But like anything mechanical, the jury is out until it can be PROVEN in use.


14 posted on 06/24/2012 6:23:13 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: fini

Dont Makarovs take a 9x18 caliber? I have read it is a very meager round. Russian troops in Afghanistan said the only use it was was shooting yourself so you didnt get captured.


15 posted on 06/24/2012 6:23:21 AM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: omega4179

Makarov was crap, but TT-33 was one awesome gun.

As for this one AFAIK they ‘ve given prototypes to spetsnaz troops for evaluation and summed all the complains and wishes to incorporate into upgraded design. They did a few times before spetsnaz told it is ok, we want it.


16 posted on 06/24/2012 6:24:39 AM PDT by cunning_fish (.)
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To: kronos77

Interesting pistol. Thanx for posting. Hate to see the Mak go. Great little pistol by the way. Paid less than $100 for my first one.


17 posted on 06/24/2012 6:26:53 AM PDT by donozark (Col. C.Beckwith:I'd rather go down the river with 7 studs than with a hundred shitheads.)
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To: kronos77

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/58053.jpg


18 posted on 06/24/2012 6:34:31 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: kronos77

As per link above, looks to me like a slimmer version of the old CZ concept.


19 posted on 06/24/2012 6:35:23 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: cunning_fish

Echoing Travis McGee’s public service announcement, I recently picked up a Romanian TTC - basically the Russian TT33 design - for $220. The price is up a bit, but it’s a fine pistol. Slim, well made and uses a highly effective round that can be had for cheap. Highly recommended.

J&G Sales has ‘em along with the ammo. Get some.


20 posted on 06/24/2012 6:43:24 AM PDT by Noumenon (If people saw socialists for what they truly are, slaughter would ensue - in self-defense.)
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To: kronos77
...Austrian-made Glock 17, a favorite of special forces worldwide, Rogozin said.

Don't the special forces like the .45 Auto better than the 9mm? Or is tht just the US Special Forces?

21 posted on 06/24/2012 6:45:24 AM PDT by CPOSharky (zero slogan: Expect less, pay more. (apologies to Target))
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To: kronos77

They actually look to have gone 21st century for a change.


22 posted on 06/24/2012 6:47:02 AM PDT by Lazamataz (People who resort to Godwin's Law are just like Hitler.)
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To: Bryanw92

I have learned to discount the opinion of those who find what they read in a press release “very impressive.”


23 posted on 06/24/2012 6:58:44 AM PDT by LouD (I stand with Scott Walker)
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To: Noumenon

TT-33 is rumored to penetrate class IIB body armour. Is it true?


24 posted on 06/24/2012 6:58:53 AM PDT by cunning_fish (.)
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To: cunning_fish

I just adore TT.
Yugoslav version have a longer magazine and holds 1 extra round. Mani people even nowdays prefer 7,62 caliber.


25 posted on 06/24/2012 7:00:52 AM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: donozark

Makarov is great as “Household” gun. Self-defence only, and it is cheap and usable.


26 posted on 06/24/2012 7:02:50 AM PDT by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: kronos77
bling bling...

27 posted on 06/24/2012 7:10:19 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: central_va
LOL!

What are you smoking?

You do know that gun was designed over 100 years ago?

Is impossible for small men and women to control?

You know most are all metal and far too heavy for daily carry?

You know the .45 ACP is a low pressure cartridge and FMJ only has a 60% one shot stop rate?

You know they're finicky about ammo and most went even shoot a whole magazine without jamming?

You know the manual of arms is just too complicated for most people to master?












You know what's on my hip every day?:


28 posted on 06/24/2012 7:13:07 AM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: cunning_fish

So it is said. Don’t know if it’s true. Selco, in his blog speaks from experience when he says that two shots from a TT33 would put someone down.

It is a fast round.


29 posted on 06/24/2012 7:14:28 AM PDT by Noumenon (If people saw socialists for what they truly are, slaughter would ensue - in self-defense.)
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To: MtBaldy

Wise choice.


30 posted on 06/24/2012 7:14:33 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: kronos77

Some interesting info here:

http://www.defensereview.com/arsenal-firearms-strike-one-pistol-system-strizh-pistol-striker-fired-polymer-frame-9mm-parabellum9x19mm-nato-combattactical-pistol-with-ultra-low-bore-axis-meet-the-new-21st-century-russian/

http://www.defensereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Arsenal_Firearms_Strike_One_Pistol_System_Strizh_Pistol_2.jpg


31 posted on 06/24/2012 7:18:18 AM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: Yorlik803
Dont Makarovs take a 9x18 caliber? I have read it is a very meager round. Russian troops in Afghanistan said the only use it was was shooting yourself so you didnt get captured.

Sidearms merely fill a close-range niche and while some are very potent, the niche remains small in any combat situation.

32 posted on 06/24/2012 7:21:51 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: fini

I owned a Russian made Makarov for a few years before having to sell it. I liked it overall, reliable and decent trigger but the one thing which stood out was it’s accuracy.

Literally off the scale for this type gun. If I was very careful, it would consistently put all shots into a single hole at around 30 feet.

Oddly enough, I had another gun which would do the same and it too was an oddball in a very similar caliber. It was an Argentine made .380, a very early model with an odd take down in which you squeezed the front dust cover to field strip. For some reason I have a mental block and can’t remember the name right now.


33 posted on 06/24/2012 7:37:52 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: fini

I owned a Russian made Makarov for a few years before having to sell it. I liked it overall, reliable and decent trigger but the one thing which stood out was it’s accuracy.

Literally off the scale for this type gun. If I was very careful, it would consistently put all shots into a single hole at around 30 feet.

Oddly enough, I had another gun which would do the same and it too was an oddball in a very similar caliber. It was an Argentine made .380, a very early model with an odd take down in which you squeezed the front dust cover to field strip. For some reason I have a mental block and can’t remember the name right now.


34 posted on 06/24/2012 7:40:10 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: fini

I owned a Russian made Makarov for a few years before having to sell it. I liked it overall, reliable and decent trigger but the one thing which stood out was it’s accuracy.

Literally off the scale for this type gun. If I was very careful, it would consistently put all shots into a single hole at around 30 feet.

Oddly enough, I had another gun which would do the same and it too was an oddball in a very similar caliber. It was an Argentine made .380, a very early model with an odd take down in which you squeezed the front dust cover to field strip. For some reason I have a mental block and can’t remember the name right now.


35 posted on 06/24/2012 7:40:31 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: yarddog

Sorry for the triple post. I kept getting a “Service temporarily unavailable” message and thought this time it really wasn’t posting.


36 posted on 06/24/2012 7:49:18 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: kronos77

How it works:

The Browning tilted barrel design, in which the barrel and slide recoil together is very inexpensive to manufacture.

In this new design, there is a locking shoulder over the tube that drops down to unlock the reciprocating parts of the action when fired. Sort of a Lahti type dropping block.

So, the barrel is fixed and delivers more accuracy and manufacturing costs are nearly as low as the Browning design.

With a fixed barrel you have the design opportunity for automatic fire. You better have a good grip.... That’s why it is intended for special forces use.

The round is a 9×19 instead of the 9×18 and, to correct the article, the standard magazine is only 17 rounds, not 18.

Glock 17, look over your shoulder...

BTW, the frame cannot stabilize the .45 so don’t look for up-chambered versions, although the action may get copied. No patent apps in the US yet, hmmm, where is my drafting table?


37 posted on 06/24/2012 7:51:22 AM PDT by gandalftb (The art of diplomacy says "nice doggie", until you find a bigger rock.)
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To: kronos77

A couple of added points:

The magazine release is right and left hand and the magazines have a magwell for fast reloads.

I am told that the trigger action is slightly uncomfortable, and the pull currently not able to be adjusted and is being reworked.


38 posted on 06/24/2012 7:59:24 AM PDT by gandalftb (The art of diplomacy says "nice doggie", until you find a bigger rock.)
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See the thick hump in front of ejection port?

That’s where the vertically acting lock bridge is located.

The one-way pin below is the retainer rod that passes through kidney shaped cam in the inverted u-shaped lock piece.

The one-way pin is also the breakdown pin.


39 posted on 06/24/2012 8:07:25 AM PDT by gandalftb (The art of diplomacy says "nice doggie", until you find a bigger rock.)
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To: kronos77

This side arm has no safety switch. It fires when the compression on the back of the grip equals the trigger pull.

Yes, they copied Browning here except that the Browning design doesn’t require both compressions to be the same. Browning is a simple release, allowing an independent trigger pull adjustment.


40 posted on 06/24/2012 8:13:43 AM PDT by gandalftb (The art of diplomacy says "nice doggie", until you find a bigger rock.)
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To: Yorlik803

>>>>Dont Makarovs take a 9x18 caliber? I have read it is a very meager round. Russian troops in Afghanistan said the only use it was was shooting yourself so you didnt get captured.>>>>

AFAIK, Russians rarely took sidearms to battle, let alone Afghanis didn’t took them prisoners after Badaber uprising in spring 1985 there a few dozen Soviet and ANA POWs captured Pakistani ISI base, killing some 200 officers including CIA operatives.


41 posted on 06/24/2012 8:32:15 AM PDT by cunning_fish (.)
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To: kronos77

The Russians have long been known for making “out of the box” small arms. Of course, most of these were stinkers, which you might expect, but some of them were remarkably effective, based on their *axioms of use*.

For example, the AK-47 is likely the most popular rifle in the world, but why? Because its axioms of use were “cheap to make, reliable, and easy to maintain”. And it fit all of these criteria to a ‘t’. So the Russians, and later the Chinese, cranked these rifles out like cookies, and every third world country in the world wanted them.

First, they could buy a bunch at the price. Second, they could take a lot of abuse and still work. And third, an illiterate, incompetent peasant farmer who had never seen a machine before, could be taught to use it (if not effectively), in just a minute or two; and be trained to clean its three user serviceable parts in just a few more minutes.

At the same time, the *other* very popular rifle was the M-16, and why was that? Because it and its ammo was expensive to make, made only by the US, but free to the user, given as a gift; it was very prone to breakage and failure; and it was extremely hard to clean. With the added bonus that its high velocity round was technically a violation of the Geneva Conventions.

From a rifle standpoint it was a p.o.s., but the price was right, which was to be friendly, more or less, to the US, or at least be an enemy to our enemy.

This is not to say the AK-47 was perfect, far from it, but both it and the M-16 fit very well into their respective *axioms of use*.


42 posted on 06/24/2012 8:36:53 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: kronos77

The Russians have long been known for making “out of the box” small arms. Of course, most of these were stinkers, which you might expect, but some of them were remarkably effective, based on their *axioms of use*.

For example, the AK-47 is likely the most popular rifle in the world, but why? Because its axioms of use were “cheap to make, reliable, and easy to maintain”. And it fit all of these criteria to a ‘t’. So the Russians, and later the Chinese, cranked these rifles out like cookies, and every third world country in the world wanted them.

First, they could buy a bunch at the price. Second, they could take a lot of abuse and still work. And third, an illiterate, incompetent peasant farmer who had never seen a machine before, could be taught to use it (if not effectively), in just a minute or two; and be trained to clean its three user serviceable parts in just a few more minutes.

At the same time, the *other* very popular rifle was the M-16, and why was that? Because it and its ammo was expensive to make, made only by the US, but free to the user, given as a gift; it was very prone to breakage and failure; and it was extremely hard to clean. With the added bonus that its high velocity round was technically a violation of the Geneva Conventions.

From a rifle standpoint it was a p.o.s., but the price was right, which was to be friendly, more or less, to the US, or at least be an enemy to our enemy.

This is not to say the AK-47 was perfect, far from it, but both it and the M-16 fit very well into their respective *axioms of use*.


43 posted on 06/24/2012 8:39:12 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: fini
Oh goody! This means that there will be a pile of Russian Makarovs for sale in America.

Exactly!

GMTA

44 posted on 06/24/2012 8:41:39 AM PDT by 2111USMC (Not a hard man to track. Leaves dead men wherever he goes.)
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To: fini
Oh goody! This means that there will be a pile of Russian Makarovs for sale in America.

Exactly!

GMTA

45 posted on 06/24/2012 8:41:58 AM PDT by 2111USMC (Not a hard man to track. Leaves dead men wherever he goes.)
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To: Yorlik803
The 9x18 Mak is in between the 9mm and .380

Ballistically, it is very similar to .38 Special.

I've got a CZ82 that I CC regularly. It's plenty powerful enough for self defense (it's been the standard caliber for police and military in com-block countries for decades).

46 posted on 06/24/2012 8:54:24 AM PDT by 2111USMC (Not a hard man to track. Leaves dead men wherever he goes.)
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To: AppyPappy

“Russians copying someone else’s design. No way”

They did NOT copy it.

They invented it for themselves also, first.


47 posted on 06/24/2012 10:11:14 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: kronos77
Nice looking gun, very slim. I have not liked the blocky feel of several recent striker fired guns, this does not look that way at all.

Now if it just get imported....

48 posted on 06/24/2012 2:09:34 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: Yorlik803

The Mak round is basically a glorified .380 round.

I really like the Mak for a reasonably priced glovebox/console pistol.


49 posted on 06/24/2012 2:26:43 PM PDT by Clay Moore (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of a fool to the left. Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: yarddog

I just remembered, that old Argentine .380 was a Bersa.


50 posted on 06/24/2012 4:33:15 PM PDT by yarddog
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