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1 posted on 06/25/2012 5:34:15 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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It just means that businesses, not trusting the academic credentials of “college” applicants, will need to set up their own placement tests. Watch the homeschoolers and Asians blow everyone away on those tests!


2 posted on 06/25/2012 5:38:15 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Kiss the Son!)
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Classic liberal educational mentality. When you can’t educate kids up to standard - just change the standards. Downwards.


3 posted on 06/25/2012 5:38:40 AM PDT by circlecity
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Can someone please explain to me how placing 1st year college students into math classes that they are not prepared to take is good for the student and placing students into remedial math to bring them up to speed is bad?


5 posted on 06/25/2012 5:42:41 AM PDT by fatboy (This protestant will have no part in the ecumenical movement)
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Did poorly on exam, yet he was in AP English.
Then there’s the matter of colleges providing remedial English and math classes. If you need them, why are they letting you attend college? Must have something to do with the $$$ !


6 posted on 06/25/2012 5:44:43 AM PDT by Lady Lucky (God-issued, not govt-issued.)
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Soon we will have college graduates who cannot “operate” a hamburger flipper. Oh well, there is always the community organizer “profession” which may well lead to bigger things.


7 posted on 06/25/2012 5:46:57 AM PDT by bytesmith
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The issue is especially acute in California, where about 85% of students entering a two-year college are assigned to remedial English classes and 73% to remedial math, mostly based on placement tests. Only about one-third of those students go on to earn an associate degree or transfer to a four-year college, according to California's community college system.

Research by Scott-Clayton and others indicates that the placement tests are a poor predictor of how students will perform in college classes and that high school grade point averages can be a better barometer.

More phony lib theory. Students who do poorly on the tests are assigned to remedial classes and only 1/3 of those have even a small measure of academic success. It sounds like the tests are doing exactly what they are supposed to--weeding out those who are not ready to be mainstreamed in higher education. Therefore--get rid of the tests!

8 posted on 06/25/2012 5:47:04 AM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree (Bill Clinton & Cory Booker committed the ultimate democrat gaffe. They accidentally told the truth.)
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Sorry, but DUMB is actually a compliment here. This “college” has just adopted a program that “feels good” but will destroy the value of that paper called a “College Degree.”
It isn’t bad enough that colleges rip off the financial futures of their students by pushing them through courses that have absolutely NO value in the real world. Now they are removing that last indication to the prospective employer that the “degree” is worth the paper it is printed on.
Additionally, this community “College” is abetting in a massive coverup, hiding the fact that the local HIGH SCHOOLS are an abject failure.


13 posted on 06/25/2012 5:54:53 AM PDT by CaptainAmiigaf ( NY Times: We print the news as it fits our views.)
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... The new approach came after the college found that 60% of students it placed in remedial English classes had earned an A or B in their high school English course....

Doesn't make that A or B worth very much. Typical public school mentality...can't hurt the little darling's feeling by giving them the grades they REALLY deserve.

Also, they kept saying how the students could get out quicker. Never mentioned if they learned anything.

14 posted on 06/25/2012 6:04:28 AM PDT by moovova (Muslims will never know the pleasure of eating BBQ babyback ribs...too bad.)
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Dumb.

Double Dumb. My oldest started a JC at 15 and tested out of all the remedial courses. Needless to say she was home schooled.

Remedial college courses show the real state of public (K-12) education.

16 posted on 06/25/2012 6:16:34 AM PDT by D Rider
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Too many kids going to high school is the problem.

Create a HS entrance exam with IQ=97 required, and all these "college" stories would go away - forever.

18 posted on 06/25/2012 6:20:31 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Anna Wintour makes Teresa Heinz Kerry look like Dolly Parton.)
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The 18-year-old did poorly on the exam, even though he was getting good grades in an Advanced Placement English class at Long Beach's Robert A. Millikan High School.

This does not make any sense. We paid for my Daughter to take the AP exams for college credit. These were scored from 1 to 5. A score of 4 or 5 was accepted for her General Education Credits and She was able to skip most of those courses (16 credits). It appears they do not use the national exam, but some local community college hybrid.

The national exams weed out those students who benefited from grade inflation. The local exam alone was a bad idea. Their new requirements are insanity.
28 posted on 06/25/2012 6:53:38 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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The 18-year-old did poorly on the exam, even though he was getting good grades in an Advanced Placement English class at Long Beach's Robert A. Millikan High School.

Translation: The teachers and principal at the Robert A. Milikan High School are LIARS!

These teachers and the principal have LIED to the student, his parents, and the taxpayers. metmom: This is another reason to homeschool. When teachers pass on students to the next grade who are unprepared they are LIARS. When then give out good grades that are undeserved they are LYING! Why would any parent entrust their children to LIARS!

30 posted on 06/25/2012 6:55:35 AM PDT by wintertime
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Agreed that it is dumb.

Typical trend in colleges and universities nationwide that are having to accommodate the FAILURE of our K12 education system. I repeatedly teach Freshmen having come straight from/out of high school who cannot even write a cohesive paragraph or read and follow simple written instruction(s). =.=


31 posted on 06/25/2012 7:04:55 AM PDT by cranked
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I am new to high school AP stuff, as my child is entering 9th grade, but in our public school district, anybody can take an AP class, whether they are prepared for it or not. The counselors will try to discourage you if you are not a stellar student. They will warn you that you are wasting time and money, but you can still take it.

The article didn’t say what this guy’s AP test score was, did it, only that he had done well on his grades in the class? The grades during the semester don’t matter. It’s the official test at the end that matters.


36 posted on 06/25/2012 9:11:16 AM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. This can occasionally be a fairly high volume list. Articles pinged to the Another Reason to Homeschool List will be given the keyword of ARTH. (If I remember. If I forget, please feel free to add it yourself)

The main Homeschool Ping List handles the homeschool-specific articles. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping list. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added to or removed from either list, or both.

37 posted on 06/25/2012 10:21:28 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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