[allmendream]

God's power doesn't stop at the Casino door.

God in in control of what we perceive to be random events.

The passage doesn't say that every result will be known beforehand by God - it says every result is FROM the Lord. We can get into a fruitless debate about predestination and predetermination if you wish - but it detracts from the essential point that the dichotomy creationists attempt to put up - that if something is observed to be random that this is the opposite of under God's control - is based upon ignorance and, once again God being a lot smarter than creationists are capable of comprehending.

Are the stars currently forming through gravity and nuclear fusion not made by God? Are they less made by God than our own Sun?

The Bible tells me I was made “from dust” and “to dust” I will return. But I was also made through cellular processes involving DNA. Was my creation “from dust” less literal than the creation of Adam “from dust”?

[aruanan]

Are the stars currently forming through gravity and nuclear fusion not made by God? Are they less made by God than our own Sun?

Psalm 104 talks about God's relationship to the earth and to living creatures: "When you hide your face, they are terrified; when you take away their breath, they die and return to the dust. When you send your Spirit, they are created, and you renew the face of the earth." Sounds like an ongoing relationship. Remember Paul's assertion to the Corinthians about God, and using one of their own poets for corroboration: "In him we live and move and have our being; as also certain of your poets have said. For we are also his offspring." An ongoing relationship. And then there's Paul's letter to the Colossians in which he says, about the relationship of the Son of God to the universe: "He is before all things, and in him all things hold together." Certainly an ongoing thing. And Jesus said, "“My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working.” Another indication of a present tense, ongoing relationship with the world God created.

The Bible tells me I was made “from dust” and “to dust” I will return. But I was also made through cellular processes involving DNA. Was my creation “from dust” less literal than the creation of Adam “from dust”?

Probably. It's a mistake to confuse ongoing operations with those that initiated the operations.

And, again, you're missing the point. You cannot say that God is controlling things through randomness, well, you can say it, but you can't actually be saying anything by it. If God is controlling everything, then whatever else it is, it's no longer random. You could say that God is controlling everything that, to us, appears random. You could say that everything in creation is running on its own unless God somehow intervenes and call that running on its own randomness, though it actually isn't. You could say that if everything has a preexisting cause and has a subsequent effect, then there is no randomness and that God, being the initial cause, is also the cause of all subsequent effects. You could say that there is no God and everything that happens, happens without purpose (though not without cause), and having no purpose makes it random, at least from an emotional standpoint of the observer who thinks he sees that things should go one way but end up going another. But you cannot say, if words are to actually have any meaning, that randomness, as indeterminacy, is being controlled or determined by God.