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Washington State Issues Proposed Brake Pad Regulations
AfterMarket News ^ | June 26, 2012

Posted on 06/26/2012 3:31:55 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

The Washington State Department of Ecology formally proposed regulations relating to the composition of brake pads, also known as the Better Brakes Law. The Better Brakes Law phases out the use of certain substances including copper, asbestos and several heavy metals from automotive brake pads, both aftermarket and original equipment.

The first requirement to reduce asbestos and several heavy metals goes into effect on Jan. 1, 2015. Copper would be required to be reduced to 5 percent by 2021.

The law was passed due to concern that use of certain substances in brake friction material could cause harm to human health and the environment. California has enacted similar requirements, but has thus far not initiated the development of regulations to implement their statute.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: regulations


1 posted on 06/26/2012 3:32:03 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

How about wood? Can wood be used?

How about you feet? Can they use those as well?

What about cars from out of state? Can they come in?

Geeesh... what a bunch of wingnuts.


2 posted on 06/26/2012 3:45:50 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (You've been screwed by your government.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
...also known as the Better Brakes Law

Governments nowadays are thoroughly into doublespeak. Any law means the opposite of what it says."Better Brakes Law" means crappy brakes that are going to get some people hurt or killed.

3 posted on 06/26/2012 3:47:16 PM PDT by 6SJ7 (Meh.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Does anyone know how good or bad the remaining allowed brake materials are in comparison to those using the to-be-banned ones?


4 posted on 06/26/2012 3:48:01 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Here in the people’s republic of Washington they have also outlawed lead weights for balancing tires.


5 posted on 06/26/2012 3:50:09 PM PDT by dainbramaged (If you want a friend, get a dog.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine
Does anyone know how good or bad the remaining allowed brake materials are in comparison to those using the to-be-banned ones?

How about the brakes on the airliners? Are they going to require all airlines to reequip in order to land at their airports? The legislature is mad...mad...mad!

6 posted on 06/26/2012 3:57:18 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Shades of Fred Flintstone’s feet.


7 posted on 06/26/2012 3:58:42 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Steyn: "One can argue about whose fault it is, but not ... whose responsibility it is: it's his")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
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8 posted on 06/26/2012 3:58:45 PM PDT by floozy22
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To: Oldeconomybuyer; Sequoyah101; 6SJ7; Pearls Before Swine; dainbramaged
Does anyone know how good or bad the remaining allowed brake materials are in comparison to those using the to-be-banned ones?

You know the answer to that without any reference to the subject matter, don't you?

Manufacturers have optimized some lining compositions for higher performance, and some of them have been optimized for lifetime and cost.

If you artificially exclude some of those components then by definition you will compromise on either cost/life or performance.

Copper is dangerous? For God's Sake you have to pay extra to buy copper pots from a boutique cooking supply to EAT OFF OF.

They just trying to make people nuts with this crazy.

Copper is not cheap but it is a fantastic heat conductor. Less copper means hotter brakes, faster fade, more dead people. Except when they mandate it in Washington, manufacturers will have to simplify their distribution chain by migrating the "Washington Safe" parts to all states.

9 posted on 06/26/2012 3:58:51 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: sam_paine
New regulations in California have basically banned effective anti-fouling paint for boats because of concerns that the copper in the paint might be harming marine life inside marinas.

It's insane, but that's the state of play with the enviro-regulatory apparat today.

10 posted on 06/26/2012 4:23:54 PM PDT by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You can never do more, you should never wish to do less.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I had no idea they were harmful to my health, I guess it’s not a good idea to take brake pads to bed with me every night, I’ll just leave them on the wheels from now on.


11 posted on 06/26/2012 4:25:56 PM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: dainbramaged

“Here in the people’s republic of Washington they have also outlawed lead weights for balancing tires.”

I heard the Condors have been steeling them off parked cars and eating them.


12 posted on 06/26/2012 4:26:22 PM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: faucetman

“stealing”


13 posted on 06/26/2012 4:28:04 PM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Sequoyah101

They move in from Berkeley....and got jobs with the (mother) state.


14 posted on 06/26/2012 4:38:49 PM PDT by pointsal
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Ceramic brake pads work well for smaller vehicles, but I think they do have some copper in them. Trucks and larger vehicles use semi-metallic brake pads.


15 posted on 06/26/2012 4:41:28 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: absalom01

That is why the water looks green...


16 posted on 06/26/2012 4:43:25 PM PDT by shotgun
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To: absalom01

That is why the water looks green...


17 posted on 06/26/2012 4:43:24 PM PDT by shotgun
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

20 years ago the EPA looked at banning Asbethos from brake shoes and pads. They concluded that there would be CARNAGE on the highways as there was simply NOTHING to replace them with, at least for cars and trucks designed for Asbestos.

When crap like this happens, any INTELLIGENT car owner will buy a lifetime’s supply of the real thing, before it’s banned. Even if you don’t know how to chance brakes, you mechanic does, or your neighbor (you know, the one you look down on).

I still have supplies from over a decade ago that have since been outlawed. If you pay attention, you’ll see it coming - and if you’re halfway intelligent, you’ll stock up, while you still can.


18 posted on 06/26/2012 5:06:26 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

...and one other thing. Don’t think you’re safe if you live in a red state (like Texas). Very often companies will simply change their materials for everyone, not just Washington State and California - so you won’t even know it’s coming.


19 posted on 06/26/2012 5:09:16 PM PDT by BobL
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To: shotgun

Exactly. Thank goodness that California also banned the use of cleaning supplies containing chlorine bleach in coastal waters. Because, you know, there are no chlorine compounds that occur naturally in the ocean.


20 posted on 06/26/2012 5:51:56 PM PDT by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You can never do more, you should never wish to do less.)
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To: PoloSec
"I guess it’s not a good idea to take brake pads to bed with me every night"

You better watch those pennys on the nightstand, too.

21 posted on 06/26/2012 7:26:39 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: BobL

I really really wish that at some point an industry that has this type of regulation dumped on them would have the balls to just refuse to sell those products to any gov’t. entity in that particular state. And if the whole industry banded together and did the same thing, the gov’t would quickly realize the folly of their heavy handed regulation. If the gov’t. tried to obtain the product through other channels, all of the mfr’s should refuse to supply those channels and refuse to honor any warrantees on any of the products. If the gob’t continued, the mfr should simply refuse to sell into that particular state.

If industries started doing this, there’d be a whole lot less idiotic regulations by corrupt greedy politicians and screwed up little Mussolini bureaucrats.

Yeah, I understand that there would be a short term sales hit, but the long term would make it much better compared to the increased costs of compliance in the first place.


22 posted on 06/26/2012 8:45:19 PM PDT by hadit2here ("Most men would rather die than think. Many do." - Bertrand Russell)
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To: hadit2here

“I really really wish that at some point an industry that has this type of regulation dumped on them would have the balls to just refuse to sell those products to any gov’t. entity in that particular state. And if the whole industry banded together and did the same thing, the gov’t would quickly realize the folly of their heavy handed regulation.”

I still remember the first tobacco lawsuit in Florida. If I were running a major company, I would have simply stopped selling the stuff in Florida. Assuming other companies followed suit, and even if they didn’t, you’d get significant smuggling from bordering states (massive smuggling if other companies joined in), and tax revenue would have NOSE-DIVED. That would have been the end of the lawsuit craze, before it even got any traction.


23 posted on 06/26/2012 10:14:21 PM PDT by BobL
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To: 6SJ7
Soon to be known as the “Buy Them In Another State Law.”
24 posted on 06/26/2012 10:19:38 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: BobL

I’d love to see every gov’t car and truck in the whole state of Washington sit idle because they don’t have break shoes/pads. If every mfr just said, “Hey, it’ll cost too much, ain’t gonna do it,” you can bet the regs/laws would quickly be obliterated. Capitalism works if you let it. When the regs mandate something too expensive, just don’t make it. Let the gov’t try to find the replacements. But all the mfr’s would have to say the same thing. Just one won’t do it.

But it seems really hard for people to understand the long term costs/losses vs. the short term gains. Just how long do you think the state of Californicate’s gas blending regs would last if the gas companies said, “Sorry, only one blend available. Buy it or don’t run your vehicles.” I suspect it wouldn’t take 48 hours before someone called a special emergency session of the legislature to hastily make changes. That is if any of the legislators could find a bicycle to pedal to get to the capitol.

I just think that the mfr.’s should first just refuse to go along and refuse to sell to the gov’t. The public aren’t the ones making the regs. So what would the gov’t do? Force the mfr to make the product and sell it to the gov’t?

Oh, wait...


25 posted on 06/26/2012 10:31:57 PM PDT by hadit2here ("Most men would rather die than think. Many do." - Bertrand Russell)
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To: hadit2here

The gas companies have said, sorry only one blend available. We all get the CA blend. The oil companies are happy to sell the most expensive blend and charge the prices for it, too. All the western states burn the CA blend, whether they know it or not.


26 posted on 06/26/2012 10:42:18 PM PDT by Eva
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To: hadit2here

“I’d love to see every gov’t car and truck in the whole state of Washington sit idle because they don’t have break shoes/pads.”

...and there’s a business reason for it. If I ran a company that provided these products, I’d want to be TOTALLY CONVINCED that the alternate materials were safe (which they cannot be). If not, the company would be at huge risk of a lawsuit as people start crashing all over the place.


27 posted on 06/27/2012 3:31:36 PM PDT by BobL
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