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Rio +20 Earth Summit: The End of International Environmentalism: Watching green ideology crash...
Reason ^ | June 26, 2012 | Ronald Bailey

Posted on 06/27/2012 6:33:29 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: Baynative

Locally I have the Raisin Valley Land Trust. They play themselves off as local small town folks but they’re driven from above and have state and federal help.

They claim to be about protecting the river but they’re really about restricting land use. They lure people in with the promise of tax breaks for protecting their own land. Before long the victims discover that they’ve lost control of their own property with approval required for building and tax penalties imposed for doing so. Try selling property that’s virtually off limits and see what its worth.

They want the property but don’t want to pay for it so to get rid of it you basically have to let the state have it. This happened to a little half acre woodlot just down the street from me. The owner found that he couldn’t cut the trees or do anything with it so he just quit paying the taxes on it.

http://www.rvlt.org/

Another group we’re fighting is the Waterkeeper alliance. They’re a group founded by Robert Kennedy and are opposed to petty much all human activity from private wells, to farming and logging.

My congressman (Tim Walberg) is sponsoring some good legislation that is a step in the right direction. Its the Defending America’s Affordable Energy & Jobs Act. If you have the time, be sure to encourage your congressman to get on board. What it does is takes the decision making out of the hands of the EPA and puts it back in the hands of congress and by extension, we the people.


21 posted on 06/28/2012 3:32:30 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Jumper
Non-farming Americans have no true understanding of the land

Make that non rural. I'm not a farmer but grew up around them and worked on them plenty as a youngster. After 50 years in the Michigan countryside I couldn't run a farm to save my life but I have a far better understanding of everything from where food comes from to farm and forest ecology.

How bout this idiocy. They want to farm Detroit amid lord knows how many acres of fallow Michigan farmland. In my opinion its just another scheme to grab taxpayer dollars for everything from soil restoration to irrigation projects.

Think about it, would you eat anything grown in the heavily contaminated soil of a defunct Detroit factory? The only thing that makes any sense to me is tree farming in Detoit.


22 posted on 06/28/2012 3:51:35 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Carry_Okie
Worse, once the people are gathered into cities they are ripe for extermination at the throw of a switch unless they obey.

The ever "benevolent" Maurice Strong plan. The SOB has openly stated that he would like to eliminate 3/4 of the people from the north American continent and force the rest of us to live in a massive sustainable city on the plains.

The only reason that rabid animal even lives in China is because he can buy greater control over individual lives than he can here. In China he can buy government complicity without having to worry about the people fighting back.

Maurice Strong is a man who deserves to be taken out in a field, forced to his knees, and shot. He's no different than Stalin, Pol Pot, or Hitler. His methods are only slightly different but he doesn't have the courage to do it openly where he'll face consequences.
23 posted on 06/28/2012 4:18:00 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek
Maurice Strong is a man who deserves to be taken out in a field, forced to his knees, and shot.

Damn Cripplecreek, I hoped it would not have to come to that.

I always get Maurice Strong and Charles Ogletree confused, but he is one of Ubama's mentors.

24 posted on 06/28/2012 6:19:53 AM PDT by KC_Lion (I am finished with listening to empty promises of the great GOP saving me in 4 more years.)
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To: KC_Lion
Damn Cripplecreek, I hoped it would not have to come to that.

Me too, at his age he should have died on his own a long time ago.
25 posted on 06/28/2012 6:24:15 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Jumper; cripplecreek; GladesGuru
Non-farming Americans have no true understanding of the land, other than a logical expectation of cause and effect.

That "logical expectation" sees their farm in isolation from its extended surroundings. It is a logic built upon the purposeful construction of control boundaries that make such constructs practicable. Without them, the control variables would be meaningless. They presume the existence of the farm's supply chain, utilities, and access to fuel. Without them, those models for land management are completely useless. Nor do we maintain the means to adapt, as we would if we had a logical risk management architecture.

From what I have seen of the soil in a lot of these "professionally managed" farms, they don't get it either. Those deep soils in the Midwest were built with grasses. Learning how to reconstruct that pastoral rotation is critical, long term. Although the mineral bases for those soils are enormous because of their geological youth, the amendments they receive are barely beyond what Nelson & Barber called, "the bare economic optimum."

All this education is valid because the people taking it are living it -

"All this education is valid" only under conditions within that presumptive control boundary. That's a "taught ology" my FRiend. The method will only go so long, particularly as we continue to neglect the land outside said boundary. The effects I am talking about are continental in scope, and capable of REAL climate change. Therein is the failure to comprehend how the fires in Colorado affect the sand hills of Nebraska.

In fact, it is my contention that both the Saudi and Sahara deserts are anthropogenic in origin, not by overgrazing, but by assimilating and killing the people who knew how to run it for over 14,000 years. Once Abel was dead, the locusts won, and there was no going back. If you think we're immune now, I've got bad news for you.

I have every confidence you have no idea what I'm talking about.

I actually look forward to the day that the cities self consume themselves along with their political clout and socialist mentality; only those individuals and the familys on corporate farms shall remain in this vision.

Worse, if you think farming will make it without the recombinant technology that keeps us ahead of pests, (wheat rust, for example), or keeps that ammonia truck coming, or brings in the sewer cake, or refines your diesel, or supplies parts for pumps, or pesticides, or electrical power, keeps the satellite data coming in, upgrades your optimization software, negotiates prices, organizes delivery, well, those "professional farmers" you cite have no idea how to make it without that URBAN industrial infrastructure, and you have only to look at the San Joaquin Valley once the delta smelt charade cut off ONLY their water, never mind the rest of that list, to recognize what I mean. Once the dust storms get going, no amount of preparation will protect any of their neighbors.

I'll bet you still don't know what I'm talking about, but believe it or not, this thesis was explained 3,000 years ago, describing a relationship between agro-urban settlers and nomadic pastoralists as coupled to the survival of nations. It predicted the process that led to industrial ag today. And I'm CERTAIN you have no idea what I'm talking about there, as I'm just finishing up my translation of Genesis 4. It doesn't say what everybody thinks it does.

26 posted on 06/28/2012 8:29:27 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: cripplecreek
“Maurice Strong is a man who deserves to be taken out in a field, forced to his knees, and shot. He's no different than Stalin, Pol Pot, or Hitler. His methods are only slightly different but he doesn't have the courage to do it openly where he'll face consequences.”

As a matter of historical continuity, would it not be more appropriate to do a “Kyhmer Rouge” - while kneeling alongside a tree, place the side of the prisoner's head against the tree and then use a hammer on the temple.

Saves a bullet, said Pol Pot.

27 posted on 06/28/2012 2:58:06 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: Carry_Okie

Given the nastiness of Soviet military planning which included using nukes and then three different bacteriological weapons on each targeted cities, I am reminded of “the survivors will envy the dead”.

Even if there are sufficient survivors, many before the Great Debacle were so poorly educated and acculturated that continuation of a representative Republic is questionable.

PS Isaiah 5:8 would seem to be critical of much of our present tract home building.


28 posted on 06/28/2012 3:06:36 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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29 posted on 06/28/2012 6:15:34 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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