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Flashback: Obama: Mandate is Not a Tax
ABC ^ | Sept 20, 2009 | Jacqueline Klingebiel

Posted on 06/28/2012 8:59:15 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

President Obama signaled in our interview that he was prepared to address some of the concerns raised by key Senator Jay Rockefeller, who called the Baucus bill a “big middle class tax increase” this week.

That means he’ll support more subsidies for middle class families.

But in our most spirited exchange, the President refused to accept the argument that a mandate to buy health insurance is equivalent to a tax.

Here it is:

STEPHANOPOULOS: You were against the individual mandate…

OBAMA: Yes.

STEPHANOPOULOS: …during the campaign. Under this mandate, the government is forcing people to spend money, fining you if you don’t. How is that not a tax?

OBAMA: Well, hold on a second, George. Here — here’s what’s happening. You and I are both paying $900, on average — our families — in higher premiums because of uncompensated care. Now what I’ve said is that if you can’t afford health insurance, you certainly shouldn’t be punished for that. That’s just piling on. If, on the other hand, we’re giving tax credits, we’ve set up an exchange, you are now part of a big pool, we’ve driven down the costs, we’ve done everything we can and you actually can afford health insurance, but you’ve just decided, you know what, I want to take my chances. And then you get hit by a bus and you and I have to pay for the emergency room care, that’s…

STEPHANOPOULOS: That may be, but it’s still a tax increase.

OBAMA: No. That’s not true, George. The — for us to say that you’ve got to take a responsibility to get health insurance is absolutely not a tax increase.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: election2012; mandate; obama; obamacare; obamalied; obamaraisedtaxes; readmylips; readmylipspledge; statesrights; tax; taxincrease
Ha...Ha...

Roberts Nails Obama and Pelosi to the Public Bulletin Board!!!

I think he is getting even...

And The

HAMMER

on the States ws taken away....
1 posted on 06/28/2012 8:59:19 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I do think it is possible that Roberts framed this in such a way as to make it increasingly unpopular.

I love how the media cautioned against a 5-4 decision to repeal, but are satisfied with a 5-4 decision to uphold.


2 posted on 06/28/2012 9:05:39 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound (.)
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To: Retired Greyhound

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0p9Txm55g8


3 posted on 06/28/2012 9:06:30 AM PDT by jcsjcm (This country was built on exceptionalism and individualism. In God we Trust - Laus Deo)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

If Roberts nailed Obama, then so did Ginsberg, Stephens, Sotomayor & Kagan.


4 posted on 06/28/2012 9:07:55 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

It’s waiver time!

did you vote for Barry?- you get a waiver!

in a union? - you get a waiver!


5 posted on 06/28/2012 9:08:10 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Yeah, we didn’t know Obama was a liar!

right.

*shakes head*

Maybe we shouldn’t be free in this country.....


6 posted on 06/28/2012 9:08:59 AM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: Retired Greyhound

If Obama was speaking truthfully in 2009 (a comical concept, I know) that the non-compliance penalty was NOT a tax, then five SC justices decided this case incorrectly.


7 posted on 06/28/2012 9:09:53 AM PDT by Milton Miteybad (I am Jim Thompson. {Really.})
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Sarah Palin: Obama Lies. Freedom Dies
Obama Lies...Freedom Dies
8 posted on 06/28/2012 9:11:57 AM PDT by An American! (Proud To Be An American!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Ping for later


9 posted on 06/28/2012 9:13:49 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: Milton Miteybad
Looking at this another way, if their agenda was to guarantee socialized medicine survives, the SCOTUS had no choice than to call this a tax.

Personally, I would rather they had taken the administration at its word, considered it a mandate and struck the whole mess down outright.

No sale on the Roberts thing.

10 posted on 06/28/2012 9:14:27 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: jcsjcm
Thanks for adding that....plays with my software.

The website for the text has a video but I couldn't get it to work.

11 posted on 06/28/2012 9:15:06 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

” - - - OBAMA: No. That’s not true, George. The — for us to say that you’ve got to take a responsibility to get health insurance is absolutely not a tax increase.”

R Sc US Rep Joe Wilson was right, Obama’s nickname really is “You Lie.”

BTW, is it not a FELONY to misrepresent, falsify or otherwise LIE to Congress?

Should Dictator “You Lie” Obama be slapped with a Contempt of Congress citation for misrepresenting a vote on a FINE when it really was a TAX?


12 posted on 06/28/2012 9:16:48 AM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: skeeter
I respectfully disagree....

This decision guarantees that Onama in November MUST defend HIS TAX INCREASES, in order to WIN>

I don't think he can do it....and HE CANNOT AVOID THE ISSUE.

13 posted on 06/28/2012 9:20:20 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Of course I agree Obama's a hypocrite & a liar, and hopefully will be held to account this fall.

I'm just saying we owe nothing to Roberts - he could have voted with Thomas, Scalia, Alito & Kennedy and killed the whole thing, and Obama would STILL have to defend his record in November.

This ruling opens a huge can of worms beyond the health care law.

14 posted on 06/28/2012 9:25:01 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Retired Greyhound

Just read Roberts’ opinion. He says that although Congress did not intend for Obamacare to be a tax, HE has decided that it is a tax. This is the greatest case of “legislating from the bench” that we’ve ever seen.

He knows better. The only thing that makes sense to me is blackmail. Is he gay? Were his children adopted illegally? Has to be something. Constitutionally, his opinion makes absolutely no sense.


15 posted on 06/28/2012 9:26:48 AM PDT by privatedrive
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The Supreme Court has allowed Obamacare's individual mandate as a TAX,





Talk about a shot in the arm for the TEA Party!

That is where the focus needs to be.

A TEA Party Fourth of July.

SC found it to be a tax.

OK...

.

16 posted on 06/28/2012 9:28:38 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: privatedrive
Roberts just neutered OBAMA's campaign plan to run against all of theRepublicans on the Supreme Court if they DARED to overturn his Affortable Care Act.

And he said that the legislature has the power to legislate tax increases....which is what this is,

What they cannot do is withhold FUNDS to the STATE GOVERNMENTs for current lawful agreements already legislated if they fail to meet the NEW REQUIRMENTS of the new Affortable Care Act.

That was the HAMMER that the 29 STATE AG's filed suit over.

17 posted on 06/28/2012 9:37:14 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Wow. What a waste of three years


18 posted on 06/28/2012 9:39:08 AM PDT by therightliveswithus
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To: TLI

Nice Graphics.


19 posted on 06/28/2012 9:42:37 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?)
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To: All
My comments in post # 17....

Was based on what I heard from some of the comments on Fox....

20 posted on 06/28/2012 9:45:29 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
TAX or NON TAX?

Obama and Pelosi sold this to Congress as not being a TAX. (which we all knew it was) That is how they got it through.

Now that the SC upheld this monster and says it is indeed a TAX, in theory this should Nullify the whole Healthcare package.

Being that only Congress has the ability to impose a TAX, which when Obamacare was passed it wasn't a TAX.

Therefore FRAUD has been committed.

Roberts actually saw through the veiled FRAUD of the Democrats and said it was a TAX, as we all knew it was in the beginning. As much as I hate what has just happened, Roberts actually had no choice, IT WAS/IS A TAX.

Perhaps where he could have done something was in the MANDATING portion, forcing everyone to purchase something they don't want is still, IMO, unconstitutional. Mandates are a TAX any way you want to cut it, now inforce it, OH, I forgot they have the concentration camps at the ready.

Could he have not said, YES it is a TAX, and Congress has the right to TAX, (upholding their rights), BUT Congress MUST go back and re-argue their position, as this was sold to Congress as a NON TAX, therefore FRAUD was committed. Remember the Democrats all stated over and over THIS IS NOT A TAX.

Congress commited FRAUD. Do we have any recourse on this one? I would think that now, every contract we ever signed CAN BE CHANGED at will, i.e. you signed it, but we have the right to make changes on that contract. Sign it, I will fill in the BLANKS later, OK?

Am I making an sense at all? I have not been this angry since LBJ's Great Society, are we there yet?

21 posted on 06/28/2012 9:59:56 AM PDT by annieokie
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To: annieokie
Politicians have ALWAYS blic was formed ) been less than truthful.

Check mark Twain's writings.

But we have elections and the voters are responsible for sorting out which politicians remain.

The Supreme Court kicked the can down the road.....and made a very narrow decision with regard to the Feds leving a penalty on the State Governments.

That is what I have heard so far.

22 posted on 06/28/2012 10:38:30 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
TYPO Correction:

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Politicians have ALWAYS ( since the Republic was formed ) been less than truthful.

23 posted on 06/28/2012 10:48:09 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Nice Graphics.

I believe they are in the public domain by now.

Pass them on...

.

24 posted on 06/28/2012 11:20:33 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Retired Greyhound
I love how the media cautioned against a 5-4 decision to repeal, but are satisfied with a 5-4 decision to uphold.

From Saul Alinsky's Stalinist Socialist rules for media.

We are living in an Orwellian nightmare of Stalinism.

Why does the Left need deceit and lies to push their agenda? Why so Stalinist?

25 posted on 06/28/2012 11:21:47 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Fools.Damn fools.Welcome to the USSA. Socialism is slavery to the State and the Supreme Court did it)
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To: skeeter

Look at the way the Supreme Court men in skirts reversed their decision on homosexuality.

The court CAN overrule an earlier decision (bad or not).


26 posted on 06/28/2012 11:28:14 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Fools.Damn fools.Welcome to the USSA. Socialism is slavery to the State and the Supreme Court did it)
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