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TODAY'S RULING UNDERSCORES THE NEED FOR THE FAIRTAX! REPEAL THE 16TH AMENDMENT NOW!
Vanity ^ | 6/28/12 | SELF

Posted on 06/28/2012 10:25:00 AM PDT by Hostage

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IF YOU ARE SERIOUS ABOUT TAKING THE COUNTRY BACK, STUDY THE FAIRTAX IN-DEPTH BEFORE DRAWING CONCLUSIONS. ASK ME QUESTIONS. I HAVE SEEN ALL THE DEBATES AND OPPOSITION. IW WILL SHOW YOU BOTH SIDES OF THE ARGUMENT AND SHOW YOU THE HOLES IN THE OPPOSING ARGUMENTS. THESE HOLES ARE WIDE AND ARE THE REASON I AM AN ARDENT FAIRTAX SUPPORTER.

START HERE:

http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about_faq

STUDY, STUDY, STUDY AND ASK LOTS OF QUESTIONS. THEN GET BUSY IN YOUR COMMUNITY.

1 posted on 06/28/2012 10:25:04 AM PDT by Hostage
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To: Hostage

*NO* to “FAIR” TAX!!!!!!!!!!!!!

With its Orwellian name to its ‘pre-bates’ and deceptive and hidden “tax-inclusive” rates, it is as big a turd as the current system

FLAT TAX OR NOTHING~!!

10% ACROSS THE BOARD- NO EXEMPTIONS!


2 posted on 06/28/2012 10:27:33 AM PDT by Mr. K (I AM WRITING-IN PALIN/GINGRICH)
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To: Hostage

How about NO to both?


3 posted on 06/28/2012 10:32:21 AM PDT by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Hostage

Did someone turn over a rock?


4 posted on 06/28/2012 10:38:13 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: Hostage

You are right about repealing the 16th Amendment. Do that, and then we can start over. I prefer a flat tax myself, no deductions, kicks in after about $50k or so.


5 posted on 06/28/2012 10:39:54 AM PDT by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: Hostage

Repeal of the 16th is a lovely notion.

But since we don’t seem to be able to reliably win presidential or congressional elections, it’s pretty much a pipe dream.

Repealing (or passing) an amendment is 10x or 20x harder than winning a simple election.

Why don’t we concentrate on electing a president and building a super-majority in Congress, and then talk about possible amendments? You gotta have a 2/3 majority in both houses of Congress, anyway, to pass an amendment.

(There is an alternative approach, but it’s never been successfully used, and there’s no reason to think it would be any easier than the congressional route.)


6 posted on 06/28/2012 10:40:26 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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FairTax is better than our current Marxist Income Tax we have now.

All Income Tax is progressive.


7 posted on 06/28/2012 10:41:42 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (When I said "close the borders", I did not mean the bookstore chain)
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To: Hostage

We will never again be a TRULY free people for so long as we continue to abide the communist inspire income tax and the IRS!

http://www.fairtax.org


8 posted on 06/28/2012 10:41:42 AM PDT by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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To: Hostage

If health care reform violates the tenth amendment, the “fairtax” trashes it completely.


9 posted on 06/28/2012 10:45:44 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: Daveinyork
If health care reform violates the tenth amendment, the “fairtax” trashes it completely.

Pray tell us how that is!

10 posted on 06/28/2012 10:51:52 AM PDT by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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To: Hostage

Repealing the 16th amendment is moot. The SCOTUS just said that Congress can tax anyone and anything it wants, without any amendments being necessary.


11 posted on 06/28/2012 10:54:31 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: Mr. K; Defiant

Mr. K you are misinformed about the FairTax, grossly so. You obviously don’t understand how the law works and what is constitutional under the FairTax.

The FLAT TAX is an INCOME TAX. IT can only exist under the 16th Amendment. Without removing the 16th Amendment, any FLAT TAX will evolve back to what we have today.

The 1913 first income tax was a FLAT TAX of 1 % on 98% of Americans and 7% on the remaining 2%.

You who support a FLAT TAX are making work for tax lobbyists to regrow your flat tax to the unfair tax insanity we have today.


12 posted on 06/28/2012 10:54:54 AM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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yes, I am well informed on it

I am against the “fair” tax because there is nothing fair about it

1) the name (I hate orwellian double-talk)

2) the pre-bate. Low income people get a PRE-BATE of the taxes they pay at the cash register- all democraps will have to do is promise everyone a bigger pre-bate

3) the ‘tax-inclusive’ rate calculcarion. In a normal sales tax of 7% if you buy something for 100 you know your final price will be 107 dollars. But a ‘tax-inclusive’ rate of 7% the price would be somethign like $108.22. Impossible to calculate in your head. So they calculate it in advance and HIDE IT in the price.

4) the 27% rate- that’s insane!!! (and it is really 32% if you calculate it the ‘normal’ way)

10% across the board flat tax. easy, simple, everyone pays. and I do mean EVERYONE- except people who RECEIVE a government check. It is stupid to tax people who are being paid out of taxes....

AND the government MUST live within that 10%, balance the budget, and ANY surplus MUST PAY OFF DEBT before it is used for any new programs

Thanks for the nice reply, Some of the “fair tax” people are real ass-holes


13 posted on 06/28/2012 10:56:52 AM PDT by Mr. K (I AM WRITING-IN PALIN/GINGRICH)
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To: Hostage

While I’m in favor of the FairtTax, it really has no bearing on this issue. The “taxes” (read: penalties) in Obamacare are above and beyond normal taxes, no matter how they are collected.


14 posted on 06/28/2012 10:57:35 AM PDT by kevkrom (Those in a rush to trample the Constitution seem to forget that it is the source of their authority.)
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To: Sherman Logan

You do not need to win Congress or the Presidency.

The Constitution gives us the right to hold State Conventions and force Congress to do our bidding.

This is a process of education. Once a person ‘gets it’ on the FairTax, there is no turning them back.

That is why I say to read the link above and to STUDY, STUDY, STUDY and ASK QUESTIONS.

This is not a game anymore. You are asked to study and become informed. You need to make a committment.


15 posted on 06/28/2012 10:58:09 AM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: Bigun

Fairtax mandates that the states piggyback in lieu of all the taxes that they now impose.


16 posted on 06/28/2012 10:58:37 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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HOWEVER!! I would support a national sales tax of 10% (because I agree with your repeal requirement of the 16th amendment)

but NO “PRE-BATE” and no 27% rate- 10% across the bnoard

or 9-9-9 like the plan put forth in the primaries


17 posted on 06/28/2012 10:59:02 AM PDT by Mr. K (I AM WRITING-IN PALIN/GINGRICH)
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“EVERYONE- except people who RECEIVE a government check.

So we’re back to 51% riding in the cart instead of helping pull the cart?


18 posted on 06/28/2012 11:01:33 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Hostage
If you go to this site, there is a PDF which you can download that covers what the author has been able to divine about an Amendments Convention called by the authority of the states under Article V, specifically the rules under which it would operate.

About 90% of the document is correct. The 10% that is wrong comes from making unwarranted assumptions based on how the Constitutional Convention of 1787 was called and how it operated. These assumptions are wrong because the original Convention was conducted under the rules of the Articles of Confederation, not the Constitution. The author also failed to read the American Bar Association's seminal 1973 document exploring how such a convention would work, how its members would be chosen, and how its purview would be limited by the state legislatures. Still, 90% isn't bad, and it's a good document to work from.

19 posted on 06/28/2012 11:09:55 AM PDT by Publius (Leadershiup starts with getting off the couch.)
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Show me that in the bill!

I’ve been working on it for 15 years and have never seen that but perhaps I just missed it so would you please be kind enough to show that part to me.


20 posted on 06/28/2012 11:14:16 AM PDT by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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