Posted on 06/28/2012 10:25:00 AM PDT by Hostage
I pointed out in extensive discussions after March 21, 2010 and throughout 2011 that the democrats were following the FDR playbook on Social Security in pushing Obamacare.
I tried my best to point out that regardless of the Commerce Clause or any uniformity provisions of constitutional law, that the 16th Amendment would be used to characterize Obamacare as a tax.
Our enemy are those that impose on us and acquiesce to the 16th Amendment.
If you are for appealing the 16th Amendment, it does not mean you are a tax protester, it does not mean you are not wanting to pay your fair share of taxes, it means you are against the federal government gaining more and more power over your life.
The FairTax is a substitute tax code that operates without the 16th Amendment and is legal and constitutional under the original tax provisions of the US Constitution.
The FairTax is not an additional tax, it is not a tax on top of existing tax. It is a 'replacement' tax that replaces all the taxes currently in the supply and production chains of goods and services and bundles them all together as one retail sales tax.
The FairTax cannot coexist with an income tax and has a provision to sunset if the 16th Amendment is not repealed.
The FairTax will take power away from the ruling class to social engineer and tinker with our freedoms.
The FairTax will be easier to enforce and easier to administer.
The FairTax will boost GDP over 10% and eliminate a half trillion dollars in compliance costs to satisfy the income tax code.
The FairTax has far more sponsors in Congress than any other tax reform. The number of sponsors has recently increased.
The FairTax can be adopted by your local congressional representative if there are on average 3000 FairTax activists in your district. You need to get busy.
START HERE:
http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about_faq
STUDY, STUDY, STUDY AND ASK LOTS OF QUESTIONS. THEN GET BUSY IN YOUR COMMUNITY.
*NO* to “FAIR” TAX!!!!!!!!!!!!!
With its Orwellian name to its ‘pre-bates’ and deceptive and hidden “tax-inclusive” rates, it is as big a turd as the current system
FLAT TAX OR NOTHING~!!
10% ACROSS THE BOARD- NO EXEMPTIONS!
How about NO to both?
Did someone turn over a rock?
You are right about repealing the 16th Amendment. Do that, and then we can start over. I prefer a flat tax myself, no deductions, kicks in after about $50k or so.
Repeal of the 16th is a lovely notion.
But since we don’t seem to be able to reliably win presidential or congressional elections, it’s pretty much a pipe dream.
Repealing (or passing) an amendment is 10x or 20x harder than winning a simple election.
Why don’t we concentrate on electing a president and building a super-majority in Congress, and then talk about possible amendments? You gotta have a 2/3 majority in both houses of Congress, anyway, to pass an amendment.
(There is an alternative approach, but it’s never been successfully used, and there’s no reason to think it would be any easier than the congressional route.)
FairTax is better than our current Marxist Income Tax we have now.
All Income Tax is progressive.
We will never again be a TRULY free people for so long as we continue to abide the communist inspire income tax and the IRS!
If health care reform violates the tenth amendment, the “fairtax” trashes it completely.
Pray tell us how that is!
Repealing the 16th amendment is moot. The SCOTUS just said that Congress can tax anyone and anything it wants, without any amendments being necessary.
Mr. K you are misinformed about the FairTax, grossly so. You obviously don’t understand how the law works and what is constitutional under the FairTax.
The FLAT TAX is an INCOME TAX. IT can only exist under the 16th Amendment. Without removing the 16th Amendment, any FLAT TAX will evolve back to what we have today.
The 1913 first income tax was a FLAT TAX of 1 % on 98% of Americans and 7% on the remaining 2%.
You who support a FLAT TAX are making work for tax lobbyists to regrow your flat tax to the unfair tax insanity we have today.
yes, I am well informed on it
I am against the “fair” tax because there is nothing fair about it
1) the name (I hate orwellian double-talk)
2) the pre-bate. Low income people get a PRE-BATE of the taxes they pay at the cash register- all democraps will have to do is promise everyone a bigger pre-bate
3) the ‘tax-inclusive’ rate calculcarion. In a normal sales tax of 7% if you buy something for 100 you know your final price will be 107 dollars. But a ‘tax-inclusive’ rate of 7% the price would be somethign like $108.22. Impossible to calculate in your head. So they calculate it in advance and HIDE IT in the price.
4) the 27% rate- that’s insane!!! (and it is really 32% if you calculate it the ‘normal’ way)
10% across the board flat tax. easy, simple, everyone pays. and I do mean EVERYONE- except people who RECEIVE a government check. It is stupid to tax people who are being paid out of taxes....
AND the government MUST live within that 10%, balance the budget, and ANY surplus MUST PAY OFF DEBT before it is used for any new programs
Thanks for the nice reply, Some of the “fair tax” people are real ass-holes
While I’m in favor of the FairtTax, it really has no bearing on this issue. The “taxes” (read: penalties) in Obamacare are above and beyond normal taxes, no matter how they are collected.
You do not need to win Congress or the Presidency.
The Constitution gives us the right to hold State Conventions and force Congress to do our bidding.
This is a process of education. Once a person ‘gets it’ on the FairTax, there is no turning them back.
That is why I say to read the link above and to STUDY, STUDY, STUDY and ASK QUESTIONS.
This is not a game anymore. You are asked to study and become informed. You need to make a committment.
Fairtax mandates that the states piggyback in lieu of all the taxes that they now impose.
HOWEVER!! I would support a national sales tax of 10% (because I agree with your repeal requirement of the 16th amendment)
but NO “PRE-BATE” and no 27% rate- 10% across the bnoard
or 9-9-9 like the plan put forth in the primaries
“EVERYONE- except people who RECEIVE a government check.
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So we’re back to 51% riding in the cart instead of helping pull the cart?
About 90% of the document is correct. The 10% that is wrong comes from making unwarranted assumptions based on how the Constitutional Convention of 1787 was called and how it operated. These assumptions are wrong because the original Convention was conducted under the rules of the Articles of Confederation, not the Constitution. The author also failed to read the American Bar Association's seminal 1973 document exploring how such a convention would work, how its members would be chosen, and how its purview would be limited by the state legislatures. Still, 90% isn't bad, and it's a good document to work from.
Show me that in the bill!
I’ve been working on it for 15 years and have never seen that but perhaps I just missed it so would you please be kind enough to show that part to me.
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