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Justice Roberts Pleads: "Lie To Me"
American Thinker ^ | 6-29-2012 | C. Edmund Wright

Posted on 06/29/2012 4:14:31 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright

..........Later in the day, however, the pundit elites started to furrow their brows and dust off their elbow patches -- and proceeded to try to convince us rubes that we had overreacted. They treated us to all kinds of contorted rationalizations and justifications full of pseudo-intellectual gobbledygook. We got this from Charles Krauthammer, George Will, Thomas Lifson, Erick Erickson -- among others. And while I really tried to like it -- and really tried to find solace or a silver lining -- there are just some basic, fundamental things I could not ignore. The bottom line is that John Roberts just told Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi figuratively to "lie to me...lie to me and I'll like it!" One can only wonder if he liked it as much as Chris Matthews liked the leg tingle or as much as David Brooks liked the sharp crease.

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TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: roberts; supremecourt
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To: NCLaw441

This decision has vastly expanded the government’s taxing power. This is a tax in the abstract. The congress could pass a tax that everyone must buy a GM car next year and those that don’t will pay a tax. Not just those who bought a Ford, Honda or something else, but anybody that did not buy a car, period.

Imagine taxing kids who go to private schools. Any school age child that does not attend public school must pay a tax. Not a tax on private schools but a tax on the inaction of not attending a public school.

How about a tax on high school graduates that don’t join the military?

I hate the tax code, but we have gone from taxing commerce, income and certain excises on property, to taxing a negative or an inaction.


61 posted on 06/29/2012 5:57:36 AM PDT by sox_the_cat
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To: SE Mom
Never mind that it looks exactly like an airplane. The people will believe it's a boat

That is what he said about the penalty --just because the lying democrats say it isn't a tax when it is etc etc

62 posted on 06/29/2012 5:58:10 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: uncbob

“I seem to remember certain Excise taxes were repealed”

Ok, which ones? When?

“And how is it Roberts fault that congress who they people vote for don’t do it”

I never said it was. I’m just asking the question, because if we are to console ourselves that Congress can repeal it, we might want to look at Congress’ history to see how likely that will be. If the history reveals it’s not likely at all, then it’s little consolation.

“In addition as I keep posting the GOP called Obama and the democrats liars because in reality it was a tax and Roberts agreed OR was that not the case —your answer please”

The job of the GOP and the job of the Supreme Court are different. The GOP’s job is to campaign against its political opponents, and the Supreme Court’s job is to determine whether a law is Constitutional as it is written. The GOP can say that a law is effectively a tax, even though it’s not written as one, since that is well within the scope of political campaigning. If the Supreme Court does that, then it’s an improper abuse of their office.


63 posted on 06/29/2012 6:01:02 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: uncbob

But- that is not his JOB. His job is to rule on the law as it is written- lies, distortions and all. He CREATED a new way to tax citizens. THAT is the issue.

I’m less interested in how the liberals lied and more in how the court invented.


64 posted on 06/29/2012 6:02:59 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Boogieman
Ok, which ones? When?

Can't remember exactly but I think one was on the movies or amusements that was used to collect revinues during the war
65 posted on 06/29/2012 6:07:31 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: Boogieman
The job of the GOP and the job of the Supreme Court are different. The GOP’s job is to campaign against its political opponents

So you are saying the GOP was lying and Obama wasn't
66 posted on 06/29/2012 6:09:23 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
"...If this nation will turn back to God and do what is right, then we can restore this nation back to its original glory. If people refuse to acknowledge God, then they're going to get what they deserve and the few who recognize that will not be able to help."

With God, all things are possible. Without Him, no good can occur.

Says it all. Nothing else needs saying.

Period.

67 posted on 06/29/2012 6:09:29 AM PDT by Gargantua ("Barack O'Bunga--America's first gay president...")
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To: SE Mom
He CREATED a new way to tax citizens.

Not really it either is or is not a tax no matter what the bill called it

Or is it OK to invent a NEW tax by calling it a penalty in other words the democrats invented a NEW way to tax people --just call it a penalty

Roberst was preventing that by saying it is a tax
68 posted on 06/29/2012 6:13:30 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: C. Edmund Wright
With due respect, Antonin Scalia and Mark Levin disagree with you, and agree with me.

You can throw Law Professor Hugh Hewitt in the mix...Levin interviewed him and neither could make any sense out of what happened.

69 posted on 06/29/2012 6:13:55 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: mike_9958

What you say about the media is correct. What you say about hurting Obama in November is probably also correct.

Doesn’t change the fact that this ruling, on the issue of law, is awful. It is not the job of a Justice to set things in motion so that the media and the election ends up with just rewards by perverting the law. That’s a fabulists view and it’s ridiculous.


70 posted on 06/29/2012 6:17:05 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Amen brother and we will NEVER forget it either.

LLS


71 posted on 06/29/2012 6:17:21 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: uncbob

A tax on what?


72 posted on 06/29/2012 6:21:05 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: uncbob

“So you are saying the GOP was lying and Obama wasn’t”

I didn’t say that. The GOP said it was effectively a tax, even though it’s not written as such. The court, on the other hand, can’t rule on the law as it is not written, it must rule on the law as it is written.


73 posted on 06/29/2012 6:21:39 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: uncbob

WWII?

Yeah, that’s real comforting.


74 posted on 06/29/2012 6:23:32 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman
The court, on the other hand, can’t rule on the law as it is not written, it must rule on the law as it is written.

In other words any law can be written by calling it something it isn't ?
75 posted on 06/29/2012 6:25:42 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: Boogieman
Yeah, that’s real comforting.
You asked me
76 posted on 06/29/2012 6:27:01 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: dfwgator
A tax on what?

Ask the GOP members of congress they are the ones who claimed it was
77 posted on 06/29/2012 6:28:16 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: uncbob
None of that matters. Kennedy was set to strike the entire law... roberts violated his oath of office and rewrote the law to allow it to stand... and he legislated from the bench in violation of the Constitution... which was nullified yesterday by this decision. No spin can remove the fact that the rule of law and the US Constitution no longer supply any protections or guide any of our laws... this decision put us firmly into a post Constitutional era.

LLS

78 posted on 06/29/2012 6:28:59 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: uncbob

“In other words any law can be written by calling it something it isn’t ?”

Huh? I don’t know where you got that from what I said. The court rules on the law as it is written, not on what someone else says it is, that’s all.

For example, I can say that the Treasury printing money excessively is effectively a tax, since they are devaluing our currency. However, the law that authorizes them to print money doesn’t all of the sudden fall under the taxation powers just because I have made that argument. If I were to challenge the law that allows the Treasury to do that in court, the court should rule on the letter of the law, not on my implications as to the effect of the law.


79 posted on 06/29/2012 6:33:30 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: LibLieSlayer

It does matter

If it is a tax it is a tax no matter what they called it

But that doesn’t mean that there still weren’t aspects that weren’t unconstitutional —I would like to see arguments from that facet—in other words yes it is a tax but it is still unconstitutional because————————

Did Scalia present that rational in his dissent —I don’t know I am asking or did he say it wasn’t a tax


80 posted on 06/29/2012 6:36:20 AM PDT by uncbob
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