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ObamaCare Survives - Electing Romney Just Became Imperative
Townhall.com ^ | June 30, 2012 | Bob Beauprez

Posted on 06/30/2012 8:36:03 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Colonel_Flagg

Yes. You’re right and I’m wrong. Reconciliation cannot be filibustered.

However...the repeal of RomneyCare wouldn’t be automatic because it was originally passed by reconciliation. It would be a new bill and a new Senate, and it would have to itself meet the requirements to qualify to be eligible for reconciliation.

Most importantly, the Repubs would have to control the Senate even for that to happen. It’s possible with a 48 Dem, 8 tossup, 45 republican current election map, but it’s easier for the Dems to retain control than for the republicans to take it.

Finally, the Senate bill itself was not passed by reconciliation...it passed by a 60-39 vote in the Senate, so reconciliation wasn’t needed.

It was the Senate/House conference refinement of the bill with the House that required reconcilation.

As always, that assumes a rino-proof Senate. None of the rinos had to show their true colors in the original vote, because the dems had 60 votes already. The rinos were able to stay hidden.


41 posted on 06/30/2012 10:11:05 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Diogenesis
Liars, backstabbers, and the AUTHOR of ObamaCARE/RomneyCARE thanks YOU for your support...

As opposed to those who are working diligently (WITH DEAR LEADER'S TACICT SUPPORT) to DESTROY OUR REPUBLIC?

COME ON Diogenesis, GROW A PAIR and give us some "FACTS" as to HOW and WHY, Mittens is more DANGEROUS and a THREAT to our Republic than is Dear Leader?

The Muslim Brotherhood Agenda as outlined in 1991 in Phildelphia:

The process of settlement [of Islam in the United States] is a "Civilization-Jihadist" process with all the word means.

The Ikhwan must understand that all their work in America
is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within
and "sabotaging" their miserable house by their hands
and the hands of the believers
so that it is eliminated and God's religion is made victorious over all religions.

Without this level of understanding, we are not up to this challenge and have not prepared ourselves for Jihad yet. It is a Muslim's destiny to perform Jihad and work wherever he is and wherever he lands until the final hour comes, and there is no escape from that destiny except for those who choose to slack.

(REMINDER of that—The Muslim Brotherhood/Islam--which B. Hussein Obama SUPPORTS and which is ACTIVELY working—through “Civilization/Stealth” Jihad—to replace our Constitution with SHARIA )

THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD CREED:

Allah is our objective;
the Prophet is our leader;
the Quran is our law;
Jihad is our way;
dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope.”

Though we are all aware of Obama's proclivity towards appeasing Islam and Islamic Republics; his negotiating with our enemies (Taliban); his release of captured Terrorists; his support of the "Arab Spring" in the ME which has led to the takeover of those countries by Radical Islamists; etc, many are not aware of what he has done to facilitate their (Islamists) acceptance and appointment to positions of "trust" within our own Government

Here are but 6 of those individuals:

03hussain
Rashad Hussain

sk.kifa
Kifa Mustapha

Mohamed_Elibiary

Momamed Elibiary

huma

Huma Abedin

dalia-mogahed

Daliah Mogahed

ImamMagid-TN

Mohamed Magid

Islam is a frontal attack on Christianity and Judaism and its time we understood this threat and called it what it is. We are not in a “war on terror”, which so many politically correct politicians would have us believe.

The whole world is, and has been for 1,400 years, in a WAR AGAINST ISLAM! If we do not stand up against this cancerous enemy, whose ultimate goal is to bring the entire world into submission to Islam and have all people worship none but Allah, then Western Civilization and human freedom as we know it will soon cease to exist.

America faces in addition to the threat of violent jihad another, even more toxic danger – a stealthy and pre-violent form of warfare aimed at destroying our constitutional form of democratic government and free society. The Muslim Brotherhood is the prime-mover behind this seditious campaign, which it calls “civilization jihad.”

For a detailed description of who these individuals pictured above are, their goals and what damage they have done and the real threat they pose, see the following:

Muslim Brotherhood in America Part 8: Team Obama and the Islamists

IF after viewing this video, one does not come away with the resolve to do whatever it takes to defeat Barack Hussein Obama, then I worry about the future of our Great Republic.

PS: One should at least bookmark this most enlightening, informative, well researched and documented 10-part Series by Frank Gaffney (Muslim Brotherhood in America) and watch all of it as soon as time permits.

BRITAIN G20 PALACE

“I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

from page 261 of the paperback edition of “The Audacity of Hope.

All it takes for .....

capt.photo_1245188299465-1-0 obama-rip-constitution

.....EVIL....

..... to triumph is for good men to do nothing.......!"

....you know, like staying home or writing in someone's name which is the same thing as affirmatively, voting for the closest most of us will ever come to WITNESSING PURE EVIL while still alive...Barack, Barry, Hussein, Soetoro, Obama.

"Oh yeah, we'll stand on 'PRINCIPLES' and show them what's what, then in 2016, we will really, REALLY, work to elect a true Conservative....."

Yeah, right, provided there is still a United States of America left as we used to know it.

FAIR WARNING: America's Enemies Within

"A nation can survive its fools, even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.

An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves against those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself.

For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men.

He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear." ...

Roman statesman and political theorist Marcus Tullius Cicero

42 posted on 06/30/2012 10:12:04 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet
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To: Kickass Conservative
I like it, but I was going for more of a neo-con theme to it therefore using the ism Obama+ -ism is a suffix in many English words, originally derived from Ancient Greek. It is commonly used in philosophy and politics. But I see your point.
43 posted on 06/30/2012 10:14:04 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: the invisib1e hand

I ain’t drinking the kool-aid either.

If the GOP wants to put Romney in, they’ll do it without me.


44 posted on 06/30/2012 10:18:34 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: JCBreckenridge

But you are happy to help Obama get reelected.

Great “conservative” position. :(


45 posted on 06/30/2012 10:30:16 AM PDT by Innovative (None are so blind that will not see.)
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To: Diogenesis

I do not disagree. However, you have two choices. A third choice does not exise, except insofar as to tacitly benefit Obama. Therefore, you have only two choices.

We are forced to deal with degrees of losing.

The only hope is to have such a mighty number of voices in the House and Senate that a slime like Romney will be forced to do the right thing.


46 posted on 06/30/2012 10:31:54 AM PDT by BrewingFrog (I brew, therefore I am!)
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To: Shadow44

Interesting point !


47 posted on 06/30/2012 10:35:55 AM PDT by mandaladon (PalinGenesis)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

Then I’ll change my hopes ... instead of hoping THEY see the light, I’ll start hoping they are very few in number.

(I think they are, just very dedicated and determined to post everywhere)


48 posted on 06/30/2012 10:38:46 AM PDT by altura
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To: BrewingFrog

You do NOT win by choosing a PHONEY LIAR who has history
of helping the OTHER SIDE, and in the case
of Team Romney, simply LYING about it.


49 posted on 06/30/2012 10:38:46 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: popdonnelly
"You like four more years of Obama"

It isn't about our nation or freedom with any of these guys. They've just found an outlet that lets them pretend their pride and petulance is principle. They are weak and ill.


50 posted on 06/30/2012 10:41:13 AM PDT by I see my hands (As Islamists perpetrated 9/11 so SCOTUS perpetrated 6/28)
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To: HerrBlucher

“”I respect the decision”

I don’t, I doubt the four dissenters do, and I even doubt Roberts does. He knows it was a silly, convoluted, ridiculous finding for political reasons. He sold his soul, and sold out liberty.”

Traitor John not only sold his soul, and liberty. His act was to sell out whatever was left of our Constitutional(limited) republic. He betrayed his oath, and what was formerly his country. This is why we have a desire for vengeance.


51 posted on 06/30/2012 10:49:48 AM PDT by Monorprise
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To: I see my hands; the invisib1e hand; Cringing Negativism Network; sport; Diogenesis

52 posted on 06/30/2012 10:56:19 AM PDT by Innovative (None are so blind that will not see.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
So you say it's better to let this POS Obama marxist keep his Obamacare and laugh at us now being enslaved and give Obama a victory in November. Or would you rather see this POS Obama defeated and humiliated along with the media defeated? Romney says he'll repeal Obamacare. So you want most of the economy over not to socialism? Those 2 things alone should be enough to vote against Obama. Remember that Bush beat Gore by 500 votes. It could be your vote that gives Obama a victory so it can further destroy us and the U.S. , enslave us and lead us to be pets of his. Just to see this POS beat is worth anything to me . Look at the genocide they are doing against whites in South Africa as what this Obama has in store for us.
53 posted on 06/30/2012 10:58:10 AM PDT by rurgan (Sunset all laws at 4 years.China is destroying U.S. ability to manufacture,makes everything)
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To: Innovative
Go to Hell! Don't put me in with those Obama supporters. Got it?

54 posted on 06/30/2012 11:00:54 AM PDT by I see my hands (As Islamists perpetrated 9/11 so SCOTUS perpetrated 6/28)
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To: I see my hands

“Don’t put me in with those Obama supporte’

When it walks like a duck,quacks like a duck, it IS a duck.

When it campaigns for Obama, bashes Romney, does everything an Obama supporter would do, it IS an Obama supporter.

You are only upset because we see through your pretense.


55 posted on 06/30/2012 11:03:58 AM PDT by Innovative (None are so blind that will not see.)
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To: Innovative
Are you illiterate, you miserable fool? Read my posts.

56 posted on 06/30/2012 11:05:56 AM PDT by I see my hands (As Islamists perpetrated 9/11 so SCOTUS perpetrated 6/28)
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To: Innovative
These morons have 2 options.

1. Not vote for someone that could beat Obama. Bush beat Gore by 500 votes. So them not voting could give Obama a victory. obama will then be laughing at us , and will be further enslaving us and turning the U.S. into South Africa where they are doing a genocide against whites which the media is hiding.

2. Vote against Obama so this smug communist POS gets humiliated and also the media gets humiliated and beat. Also Obamacare will be repealed so Obama and the smug media get further beat and humiliated.Just these 2 things are enough for me to vote against Obama.

57 posted on 06/30/2012 11:07:09 AM PDT by rurgan (Sunset all laws at 4 years.China is destroying U.S. ability to manufacture,makes everything)
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To: Innovative
These morons have 2 options.

1. Not vote for someone that could beat Obama. Bush beat Gore by 500 votes. So them not voting could give Obama a victory. obama will then be laughing at us , and will be further enslaving us and turning the U.S. into South Africa where they are doing a genocide against whites which the media is hiding.

2. Vote against Obama so this smug communist POS gets humiliated and also the media gets humiliated and beat. Also Obamacare will be repealed so Obama and the smug media get further beat and humiliated.Just these 2 things are enough for me to vote against Obama.

They choose option 1.

58 posted on 06/30/2012 11:10:21 AM PDT by rurgan (Sunset all laws at 4 years.China is destroying U.S. ability to manufacture,makes everything)
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To: Innovative
Could I be any clearer, you low IQ moron?


59 posted on 06/30/2012 11:11:13 AM PDT by I see my hands (As Islamists perpetrated 9/11 so SCOTUS perpetrated 6/28)
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To: Innovative

60 posted on 06/30/2012 11:17:58 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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