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Did Obama lie when he said it's not a tax?

Or did Roberts legislate from the bench to call it a tax, so he can give a gift to Obama. And WHY?!

1 posted on 06/30/2012 4:02:44 PM PDT by Innovative
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To: Innovative

Obama and his minions had something on Roberts. His position is preposterous...


2 posted on 06/30/2012 4:05:27 PM PDT by Principled (It's not enthusiasm for Romney, it's grim determination to remove Hussein)
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Congress does not have the power to tax people not doing something the way Roberts says they did here.

When they tax people for doing nothing more than sitting in their homes (and not getting up and going out and buying an insurance policy) that is a direct tax on people.

Congress is not empowered to lay direct taxes on people for not doing anything, UNLESS those taxes are apportioned among the states.


4 posted on 06/30/2012 4:12:20 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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Had it been presented as a tax, it probably would not have been enacted.

That is why they didn't label it a tax and the GOP kept calling them on the lie
7 posted on 06/30/2012 4:23:35 PM PDT by uncbob
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For whatever reason, Roberts did not have the guts to overturn the unconstitutional signature law of our first Marxist-American president. Unfortunately, he was not as smart by half in trying to cover his cowardice, and wrote a decision that will wreak havoc on the judicial system and the American people for a couple generations. I hope his name is tied to this travesty until long after his grandchildren have passed.


9 posted on 06/30/2012 4:33:22 PM PDT by Yogafist
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To: Innovative
Here's something that's hard to swallow:

"President Obama is a constitutional attorney and scholar."

11 posted on 06/30/2012 4:39:39 PM PDT by Paladin2
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Where are all the “silver lining” and “Roberts is a genius” threads today. Well, if you are one of the very few who believe that conservatives had a partial VICTORY, please listen to Mark Levin’s first segment of last night. He obliterated this line of thought, and frankly, there IS no other side now.
All we can hope for is that this unconstitutional treason on the parts of Captain Kangaroo, Mr. Greenjeans and the Lenin Sisters will fire the base into action for November. Bob


12 posted on 06/30/2012 4:43:16 PM PDT by alstewartfan (Two broken Tigers on fire in the night Flicker their souls to the wind. Al Stewart "Roads to Moscow")
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“Chief Justice John Roberts to re-label an unconstitutional health insurance mandate as a tax”

Chief Justice John Roberts did exactly that in rendering his opinion, however the USSC did NOT rule that the tax was constitutional. That won’t and can’t come until somebody is forced to pay the “tax”, and it is appealed through the courts. It will either be upheld or it won’t based on injury to the plaintiff.

I think were OK here...


13 posted on 06/30/2012 4:45:38 PM PDT by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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There is one possibility in this entire sordid ruling that makes sense to me.

Roberts and much of the court was known to be in the sights of the Chicago mobsters now in office. What to do for scotus? Get on the good side of the regime? But how to do that if Obama is thrown out of office in Nov.? How do you play both sides of the equation?

I say, do exactly what Roberts did,rewrite the law so whomever wins in November will accept the Roberts court as being on their side Roberts in particular. I don't think he gives a dam about the rest of the justices.

This entire move by Roberts of rewriting a law passed by congress up for scotus review wreaks of self preservation,IMHO.

To appease the left and obama if ozero wins in November all Roberts had to do was legitimize the illegal mandate by rewriting it into a tax. Actually, he didn't even have to do that. He could have caved on the mandate as well but that wouldn't cover him if zero lost. If obama wins in November obamcare stays and Roberts can make the case he was always for it just had to make it look good for his supposed side by calling it a tax.

However, if Romney wins in November Roberts can also claim he was on Romney side as well by explaining he made it a tax so that it only takes 51% not 60% to get rid of it with ease.

Either way he is relatively bullet proof.

Either way he looks corrupt to me.

15 posted on 06/30/2012 4:47:19 PM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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The Democrats brought up issues about his two adopted kids from Central America looking too “white” during his confirmation hearings. Something could have been dredged up or threatened.


19 posted on 06/30/2012 5:02:06 PM PDT by tbw2
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Did Obama lie when he said it's not a tax?

He called it a mandate. A mandate that will be enforced by the IRS. Sounds like a tax to me.

Or did Roberts legislate from the bench to call it a tax, so he can give a gift to Obama. And WHY?!

Roberts exercised judicial restraint. Why? Because Obama campaigned on "reforming" health care and Obama won. In short, he did what he said he was going to do when a majority of voters elected him to office; "reform" health care. Roberts basically said to America, "This is what you asked for. This is what you'll get. Have fun!"

Elections have consequences.

Now we can wail and gnash our teeth all day long over what Roberts did but all he really did was uphold the law that a majority of voters sent Obama to the White House to do. If you ask me, we ought to be blaming our fellow Americans for voting this absolute disaster in to office.

23 posted on 06/30/2012 5:16:21 PM PDT by Drew68 (I WILL vote to defeat Barack Hussein Obama!)
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"Did Obama lie when he said it's not a tax?

Or did Roberts legislate from the bench to call it a tax, so he can give a gift to Obama. And WHY?!

Well according to the Supreme Court, including Sotomayer and Kagan, Obama lied, and lied 1,000 times.

The Silver lining is that it will now be easier to overturn, since SCOTUS has already determined the "mandate" to be a "tax" (only 51 votes necessary in the Senate vs a very difficult to get 60).

Also Republicans can do full throated attacks on Dbama as serial liar, since that is what SCOTUS says he is.

26 posted on 06/30/2012 6:03:18 PM PDT by cookcounty (Kagan and Sotomayor side with Joe Wilson: -------Obama DID lie!)
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So why don’t they appeal? It certainly seems like they’d have grounds including the fact that the government is screaming it’s not a tax.


27 posted on 06/30/2012 6:10:55 PM PDT by Kenny
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This ruling means the government can subsidize liberal talk radio by charging a tax on conservative talk radio. There’s no bottom to this well.


30 posted on 06/30/2012 6:49:06 PM PDT by Terry Mross ( To all my kin: Do not attempt to contact me as long as you love obama.)
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