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Aide: Romney sees mandate as a penalty, not a tax
Associated Press ^ | July 2, 2012

Posted on 07/02/2012 7:25:11 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

WASHINGTON (AP) - A top adviser says Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney doesn't see the health care mandate as a tax but as a penalty or a fee or even a fine.

That's a different view from Republicans who are condemning the individual mandate in President Barack Obama's health care law as a tax instead of a penalty, as Obama prefers to call it.

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1 posted on 07/02/2012 7:25:16 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Romney, Romney, Romney. . .

Romney or Obama - whom should I vote for?

A couple of very dangerous Class A clowns.


2 posted on 07/02/2012 7:28:10 PM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I don’t think they need 15000 IRS goons to collect a penalty.


3 posted on 07/02/2012 7:29:10 PM PDT by CMailBag
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Need to drag this idiot over the finish line, stick pen in his hand, get rid of Obamacare. Then impeach him.


4 posted on 07/02/2012 7:31:29 PM PDT by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else (Maybe Tim Thomas))
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Here’s the problem, it doesn’t matter whether it is a tax or a penalty, both are flat dead wrong.

But Romney believes in the penalty, he believes in an Individual Mandate and he will replace Obamacare with something that has an Individual Mandate.

And yet we have so called conservatives here on FreeRepublic backing Romney on his “Repeal and Replace” nonsense when HE HAS NEVER GONE BACK ON HIS INDIVIDUAL MANDATE.


5 posted on 07/02/2012 7:31:49 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Opinion of the moment as relayed by a functionary. Somewhere between a sticky note and an etch a sketch for authority.


6 posted on 07/02/2012 7:31:56 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Government HealthControl. Uniting the compassion of HMOs and the diligence of bureaucracy.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
The statement from the Romney guy characterized as stating that Obamacare is a penalty is just an agreement with the dissent. What is the problem with that. Since the Dread Pirate Roberts has now decreed it's a tax, we can condemn it that way as well.

I've heard this drivel from liberals all day as somehow hurting Romney. Can anyone explain why?

7 posted on 07/02/2012 7:32:05 PM PDT by Martin Tell (ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it)
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To: atc23

Romney needs Palin as his VP.

That would eliminate all this whining.

Just saying.


8 posted on 07/02/2012 7:32:33 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

To defend Romney for a brief moment, the media is running with the statement that Romney backs Scalia’s desent. He is backing our views.


9 posted on 07/02/2012 7:33:06 PM PDT by ilgipper ( November cannot come soon enough)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

To defend Romney for a brief moment, the media is running with the statement that Romney backs Scalia’s desent. He is backing our views.


10 posted on 07/02/2012 7:33:39 PM PDT by ilgipper ( November cannot come soon enough)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

It’s a penalty if you are referring to the view of the conservatives on the Supreme Court. It’s a tax if you are referring to the ruling of the Supreme Court (and therefore the law).

Romney can call it a donut if he likes. What counts is his commitment to repeal Obamacare if he becomes President.


11 posted on 07/02/2012 7:33:39 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (TIN)
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To: atc23

So you disagree with Scalia, Thomas, and Alito?


12 posted on 07/02/2012 7:34:04 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Free ThinkerNY
It's a cucumber....

No, it's an abomination.

13 posted on 07/02/2012 7:35:44 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Martin Tell

Because no matter what Romney says or does, it is never good enough and never will be good enough in their eyes.


14 posted on 07/02/2012 7:36:04 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Romney has all the political instincts of a flea.


15 posted on 07/02/2012 7:36:46 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Free ThinkerNY

As much as I detested the SCOTUS decision I will for now stand with his decision due mostly because of the intense irritation it is causing Obama.

Romney needs to get something straight, the people can if pushed be motivated to write in someone else, even at the obvious risk of handing the election to Obama.

At least Obama is universally hated, he can never get his supporters back in line, he will never have his hypnotized idolizers at his feet anymore, if elected Obama won’t last 6 months I project, he will be impeached.

I would rather take a chance of losing to Obama knowing actions are in effect to remove him quickly that vote or support Romney.


16 posted on 07/02/2012 7:38:28 PM PDT by Eye of Unk (Is your state Obamacare free yet?)
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To: SoConPubbie

Exactly. Repeal and move on.


18 posted on 07/02/2012 7:39:16 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Martin Tell
I've heard this drivel from liberals all day as somehow hurting Romney. Can anyone explain why?

Because it is all they have.

19 posted on 07/02/2012 7:39:31 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Eye of Unk

Obama is (far) from universally hated.

Don’t make that mistake.


20 posted on 07/02/2012 7:40:05 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

If the state can tax you, and jail you for non-payment, for merely existing, then we are no longer a free people but slaves of the state.

That John Roberts does not see that is an indictment of how far away from the constitution he has moved.


21 posted on 07/02/2012 7:43:10 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: Perdogg; All

Yes it’s a mandate which makes it unconstitutional BUT now that Obama lawyers were saying it was a tax in oral arguments and Roberts said it was a tax and it being passed in the SC in Obama’s favor - Romney could have hanged Obama by the skin by talking about the largest middle class tax hike in history which makes Obama a liar (we had Freepers celebrating that ObamaCare being called a tax would guareentee Romney the election) - Romney, through his aide has completely taking it OFF the table in trying to defend RomneyCare and the average voter doesn’t care if both sides are arguing over the semantics of Mandate here and Tax there and who said what but they clearly understand what a massive tax hike is

Mitt is dumb


22 posted on 07/02/2012 7:47:03 PM PDT by Bigtigermike
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To: Bigtigermike
People know this is bad, let's keep the focus on 0bama. It doesn't matter. We can kill this with reconciliation but we need majorities and the White House.
23 posted on 07/02/2012 7:52:05 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

McConnell said today that the odds of Obamcare being repeal is not in their favor - I always question if the Republican Party in D.C. was really serious about repealing it. Yes, they have said so but we have seen them back off numerous of times and still expect conservatives to fall in line eventually


24 posted on 07/02/2012 7:59:07 PM PDT by Bigtigermike
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To: CMailBag

Under Obamacare the 15000 new IRS agents do a lot more than collect the penalty.

And the payment that you have to make only if you fail to comply with a government mandate is in fact a penalty. Prior to Obamacare, there was a long line of cases defining “Tax” and a selective penalty only applied to those who do not comply doesn’t fit the definition.

However, whether or not it is a tax or a penalty, the process by which it can transform a federal government dictate to participate in interstate commerce into something constitutional is still a mystery.


25 posted on 07/02/2012 8:03:13 PM PDT by NavVet ("You Lie!")
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To: Tzar

Can’t disagree with that. But I’m sure that the Romney campaign and the PACs will follow the “it’s a tax” strategy in their ads.


26 posted on 07/02/2012 8:04:36 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (TIN)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

It’s everything; a mandate, a tax, a ransom, extortion and an attack on our personal liberty.


27 posted on 07/02/2012 8:10:54 PM PDT by ryan71
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To: nhwingut

Need to drag this idiot over the finish line, stick pen in his hand, get rid of Obamacare. Then impeach him.


That is the best comment ever made by a ABO’er.


28 posted on 07/02/2012 8:14:51 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness)
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To: Bigtigermike
It is all BS. The libs on the court (excluding Roberts) did not care a fig for what it was called. Even the concurring opinions used penalty but figured that if Roberts needed the fig-leaf of calling it a tax - they could concur - not agree to the description just to the result.

The Russian communists called themselves Bolshevik's (the majority) even when they were not. The ruling group was called mencheviks (minority) even when not.

During the constitutional debate over granting taxing powers to the government, the Nationalists called themselves Federalist (even though they weren't) and the opposition was called anti-federalist (even though they advocated for federalism.)

Progressives use labels that sound good to the public not necessarily accurate ones.

Gay, pro-women, culturally sensitive, inclusive, colorblind ( as they continue to collect data on “race” fill quotas on gender, race, even non-gender or multi-gender.

My grandparents and parents fought wars, gave up immediate gratification, struggled to let me grow up in a Ozzie and Harriet world. Sure there were Ike and Mamie but the federal government was not an everyday presence in our lives. You could open a bank account with a few cents and get a nice deposit book without a SSN. The Christmas account did not show up on someones 1099 to report to IRS. I traveled across the city of Hartford Ct to visit relatives by foot, bike and sometimes bus.Today you need a convoy with heavy firepower.

I regret that I cannot provide the same to my grandchildren except in really small towns in rural America - for those wonderful communities I give thanks.

As long as we work to to bring small-town America back to favor at least I can bequeath the ability to struggle and fight back to my grandchildren.

29 posted on 07/02/2012 8:16:08 PM PDT by lag along
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Palin is a sellout. There is not a person alive who would change who romney is. He is who he is.


30 posted on 07/02/2012 8:18:33 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness)
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To: Bigtigermike

I can hear the republicans now. “Well, it IS a tax. We’ve been saying it’s a tax. The SC ruled it’s a tax. So we’re not going to appeal it. Thank you for your votes.”


32 posted on 07/02/2012 8:21:01 PM PDT by Terry Mross ( To all my kin: Do not attempt to contact me as long as you love obama.)
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To: ryan71

... a floor wax and a dessert topping, too!


33 posted on 07/02/2012 8:21:05 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Bigtigermike
McConnell said today that the odds of Obamcare being repeal is not in their favor...

Part of being conservative is not counting your chickens before they're hatched. We need to net several seats in the Senate and also beat Obama. What do you want McConnell to say? That it's in the bag?

34 posted on 07/02/2012 8:22:29 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Psalm 144

Romney got stuck with this position when he said he agreed with the dissenters (Scalia, Alito, Kennedy and Thomas). Their dissenting opinion ruled that the mandate was a penalty and could not be a tax.


35 posted on 07/02/2012 8:24:58 PM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: Terry Mross
I can hear the republicans now. “Well, it IS a tax. We’ve been saying it’s a tax. The SC ruled it’s a tax. So we’re not going to appeal it. Thank you for your votes.”

You are making no sense whatsoever.

36 posted on 07/02/2012 8:25:18 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Mitt Romney: For use when lying and looting just aren’t quite enough to bring conservatives into the fold.


37 posted on 07/02/2012 8:25:24 PM PDT by formosa (Formosa)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

This makes me glad that I am NOT voting this time around....


38 posted on 07/02/2012 8:26:41 PM PDT by yield 2 the right ( Space blank until I come up with a nice Tagline.)
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To: nhwingut

” - - - Need to drag this idiot over the finish line, stick pen in his hand, get rid of Obamacare. Then impeach him.”

To much risk that Obama will beat “The RINO” again.

Just DUMP Romney with an ABSTAIN first Ballot in Tampa. Vote, broom, done.

Romney was handed this election on a silver platter when Traitor John Roberts destroyed the boundary between the Judicial and Legislative Branches of Government last thursday.

Romney steadfastly refuses to embrace this building animosity toward Roberts and Obama”care.”

if Romney wants to play prep school politics while our Nation is being torn asunder by a Rogue Chief Justice and a foreign-born Bolshevik White House Occupier, then thank you Mr. Romney, don’t call us, because we are going to DUMP you!


39 posted on 07/02/2012 8:30:26 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: atc23

This is from the same advisor who made the etch-a-sketch comment.


40 posted on 07/02/2012 8:30:53 PM PDT by guinnessman
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To: Bryan24

Yes, in reality this is an oxygen tax. Didn’t think they could tax the oxygen you breath? Thing again.


41 posted on 07/02/2012 8:31:20 PM PDT by pennyfarmer (Even a RINO will chew its foot off when caught in a trap.)
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To: Perdogg; Martin Tell
When you set out to be all things to all men all the time you will make some mistakes.

As Lenin himself said "Mistakes were made".

42 posted on 07/02/2012 8:31:54 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Romney is right, it is a penalty. It is not a tax. I’m sorry to see Allen West and scores of other Conservatives calling it a tax just to score political points for the coming election. I understand their motivation, but the fact of the matter is that if I buy a kitten and call it a cow, it doesn’t make it bovine.

The penalty in Obamacare is certainly not a tax. Roberts just made that up, knowing there is no higher court in the land to which we can appeal the ruling. The Chief Justice of the nations highest court can just pull stuff out of his ass, knowing that he gets the last word. If he says the sky is blue instead of purple, then the color we all see as blue is sudden labelled purple.

I have nothing but contempt and scorn for Benedict Roberts.


43 posted on 07/02/2012 8:33:58 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: Bryan24

The Whiskey Rebellion was over that particular issue ~ the rebels lost.


44 posted on 07/02/2012 8:34:17 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Free ThinkerNY

45 posted on 07/02/2012 8:34:29 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I would lose all respect for Palin.


46 posted on 07/02/2012 8:35:05 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: Bigtigermike

The odds of Obamacare repeal is not in our favor. McConnell sucks but he is right. Unless or until both the White House and Senate become GOP controlled, then there is no chance of repeal. With Obama in the WH and with Reed running the Senate, McConnell is right to say there is scant chance of repeal. Now after Jan. 1, 2013 when we have the WH and Senate and keep the House, then there will be repeal.


47 posted on 07/02/2012 8:38:14 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: rogue yam

You can’t understand that the republicans are pandering for votes and will tell us all to stick it after they’re elected?


48 posted on 07/02/2012 8:39:28 PM PDT by Terry Mross ( To all my kin: Do not attempt to contact me as long as you love obama.)
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To: rogue yam

McConnell isn’t a conservative first of all, he is a Republican - a weak establishment one at the least and the way he was talking wasn’t about counting chickens - any conservative who follow politics should automatically side on it NOT being repeal with these feckless bunch of Republican leaders we have to seem to tough talk but weasel out in the end


49 posted on 07/02/2012 8:40:45 PM PDT by Bigtigermike
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To: Eye of Unk

What are the odds you offer on electing enough Republicans to have a total of 60 Republican US Senators?

Unless that number is very high, then I’m voting Romney and hunkering down.

And that’s assuming none of the 60 would be RINOs. I’d think the resulting odds would be very very long indeed.


50 posted on 07/02/2012 8:43:53 PM PDT by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
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