[thefactor]

You obviously have never been a cop in a busy place. You have not seen what these people are capable of. You tell the victim of a robbery that you didn't stop people who matched the description of the crime because you were afraid of a reporter writing an unflattering article.

Oh, and by the way, let me say that at any given time about 60% of the people in Brownsville are walking around in their PJs. On the streets, in stores, on the playgrounds. That's how they walk around all day, everyday. Also, a frisk for weapons does not require consent. People don't know the difference between a frisk and a search.

[LevinFan]

A frisk is a search. A very limited search, but still a search. Calling it a frisk doesn’t make it any less of a 4th Amendment violation.

I’m willing to help law enforcement, but that only goes so far. Get rude, abusive, or demeaning, or act like the Constitutional is on a roll in your bathroom, and watch my cooperation evaporate.

[Publius Valerius]

Also, a frisk for weapons does not require consent. People don't know the difference between a frisk and a search.

Unless you're in a place where people forfeit their 4th Amendment rights (airport, courthouse, driving in a car down the street, etc), you have to have reasonable suspicion for the stop itself. The Fourth Amendment prohibits searches AND seizures. Call it a frisk or a search--where is your reasonable suspicion to stop (seize) me?