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Questions about chief justice's health-care ruling could have lasting impact (+new leak info)
Yahoo/Christian Science Monitor ^ | 7-3-12 | Warren Richey

Posted on 07/03/2012 10:50:55 PM PDT by STARWISE

Speculation persists over why Chief Justice John Roberts joined liberals to uphold the President Obama's signature health-care reform law, and that could affect the Supreme Court.

Unprecedented leaks of behind-the-scenes information at the US Supreme Court are raising questions about whether the threat of political attacks and other potential criticism played a role in the high court’s recent decision to uphold President Obama’s health-care reform law.

The most detailed leaks came in a CBS News report over the weekend, suggesting that Chief Justice John Roberts may have switched sides in the high-profile case in part to insulate the court and his own legacy as chief justice from election-year criticism should the court strike down the massive reform law.

President Obama and Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D) of Vermont, among others, made (((EXTREMELY BULLYING))statements after oral arguments in the case suggesting that any decision overturning the health-care law would be the illegitimate work of conservative judicial activists on the Supreme Court.

The warning was clear: The Supreme Court and the justices themselves were about to become fair game in the president’s campaign for reelection.

Now, a week after the Supreme Court announced its opinion upholding the health-care law, Justice Roberts is being accused of having caved in to threats of political pressure.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; benedictroberts; deathpanels; leaks; obamacare; obamacaredecision; roberts; robertsdecision; scotus; zerocare
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To: Candor7

This regime needs to be tried for treason. if convicted, 9 feet of hemp..


21 posted on 07/04/2012 1:41:32 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: STARWISE

We are at war.

One side seeks to adhere to the Constitution.

One side seeks to ignore and defy it.

There is no compromise.

We have need of a Chief Justice that openly declares war on the enemies of the constitution and stands up to communist bullies in the White House and the Senate, as required by “separation of powers”.

I know French people with more fight in them than Benedict Roberts. FUJR. FU.


22 posted on 07/04/2012 2:20:00 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

We have been at war since the ink dried on the Constitution. We have labored too long under the misconception that we are a nation of laws. We have held to the high ground, thinking (falsely) that good would win in the end.

Well, the end is here. The republic was murdered by The Destroyer John “Can’t we all just get along” Roberts. All the compromising that stole our liberties, all the apologies to “our good friends across the aisle” - was it really worth it to kill the most wondrous form of government ever devised by man?

Now that we realize we are at war for our very lives, what are we going to do about it? Write letters to Congress? Do you really think it will do any good? They are as complicit in stealing our freedoms as the SCROTUM (formerly known as SCOTUS).

IF SECESSION NOT BE, THEN REVOLUTION MUST.


23 posted on 07/04/2012 3:17:34 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: STARWISE
Yesterday Byron York on Bill Bennett's show said that Roberts was named to fill the Clarence Thomas spot when Thomas went to the Supreme Court, the Democrats stopped him...waited patiently all thru the Clinton years and Bush re-nominated him and the democrats stopped him again, then when Bush had the Senate is when they could get him thru the nomination and then Bush named him to the Supreme Court! You woyuld THINK that he would be SO DAMN MAD AT THE DEMOCRATS, and then Obama calls him out at the SOTU speech and in other speeches.

the story behind his two ADOPTED children from Ireland via LATIN AMERICA is why I believe he is being threatened.....nothing else makes any sense.

24 posted on 07/04/2012 3:30:16 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: STARWISE

“The most detailed leaks came in a CBS News report over the weekend, suggesting that Chief Justice John Roberts may have switched sides in the high-profile case in part to insulate the court and his own legacy as chief justice from election-year criticism should the court strike down the massive reform law.”

This makes no sense whatsoever. It’s downright STUPID.

Look to old fashioned Chitown thuggery for the answer in this case.


25 posted on 07/04/2012 3:51:32 AM PDT by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: juno67

“...he may well have felt that to ignore that tradition of deference would have signaled that now the court is in fact a political force.”

Abandon Reason and Sense to prove the unprovable? Good plan.


26 posted on 07/04/2012 3:58:23 AM PDT by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: The Cajun

So how come he voted to save the 2nd Amendment in the Heller case
If Obama and the democrats want any thing it is to disarm Americans


27 posted on 07/04/2012 4:04:52 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: STARWISE

Excellent and true. Pray like it all depends on God and work like it all depends on you.


28 posted on 07/04/2012 4:08:01 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: STARWISE; All
If he resigns or is impeached 0 appoints his predecessor...You want to rethink that idea.?
29 posted on 07/04/2012 4:08:19 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying then or now!)
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To: NTHockey
The republic was murdered by The Destroyer John “Can’t we all just get along” Ro

One man couldn't ruin a once great nation like the USA

The commies started with the schools before WWII and gained complete control and as a consequence they have the MSM for decades

We have a generation of brain washed fools

Obama and Obamacare are just symptoms
30 posted on 07/04/2012 4:09:44 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: Monorprise

The Chicago Machine doesn’t have to win. They’re not invincible.


31 posted on 07/04/2012 4:11:38 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: tsowellfan
I suspect that Roberts was paying back Obama for a favor and that favor was the executive order which allows children brought to the United States illegally to be able to stay in the United States under Obama’s recent amnesty plan. Obama’s amnesty does not only cover children here from Mexico but all nations.

Are you saying that Roberts illegally adopted his children from a foreign country? Please elaborate.

32 posted on 07/04/2012 4:15:58 AM PDT by Jess Kitting
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To: juno67

Chief Justice Roberts, if it is not the Supreme Court’s job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices by ruling on the Constitutionality of laws passed what is the job?

It seems to me that the job is to protect the Republic.


33 posted on 07/04/2012 4:19:39 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Still Thinking

“That reaction is completely foreign to me. Anyone who tries to bully or intimidate me isn’t going to get MORE of what they want but LESS. Otherwise they’ll NEVER stop doing it, plus how are you supposed to have any self-respect? “

Maybe with you, but I suspect that Roberts wanted to see his grandchildren again - and I only very slightly exaggerate.

We got to see the political threats, not the death threats (and worse) that the Dems use behind the scenes.

Sure, it’s easy to think you’d stand up to it, or that Roberts should not have joined the court if he couldn’t - but this case was the biggest since Roe vs. Wade and the level of coercion was likely an order of magnitude higher than the court has ever seen.

Even so - Roberts is a wimp - I agree.


34 posted on 07/04/2012 4:23:04 AM PDT by BobL
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To: Ann Archy

“The reasons for the adoption happening in the unnamed Latin American country remain unclear, though it was noted that the Irish 1991 Adoption Act only allows adoption of children born in Ireland by people resident in Ireland.[9]”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Roberts_Supreme_Court_nomination#Adoption_records

Worth investigating. If we’d broken the news months before the blackmail angle wouldn’t exist. The truth liberates.


35 posted on 07/04/2012 4:25:22 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Ann Archy; STARWISE; All
Other things DO make sense. Really don't buy into the threats etc. (but it makes a good story if you were writing a movie or soap opera)

If we want to establish a cause, let's brainstorm and think of ALL possible reasons.

1. Something BIG (like eligibility) is in the trunk and he wanted to establish the court as not partisan so it won't cause civil war.

2. He's a very religious man IIRC, Maybe he turned to the story of the judges in the Bible. I Kings 3: or Jesus’s judge. Neither took the “logical/easy solution. (Learned along time ago the God solutions to my prayers are NEVER how I've planned them)

3. York's story indicates he might be setting a trap for the D's. He has no reason to support them and Pam Bondi said on one of the FOX shows that this is just one of the cases they have against Obamacare that is to be heard by the SCOTUS.

I'm sure if we brainstorm there are many more possibilities...But the bottom line is: I'm waiting till it's played out a bit to make an opinion.
Sure, I'm not happy with the decision. My first thought too was “what in the Hell is Roberts thinking” I truly wish he'd stayed with his first thought, BUT I think we all can agree something else is at play....Something WE are not privy to.
Let's see what happens before November. In the mean time there are Senate seats that MUST be won....SO, it's time to put our worries on the shelf and get to work.

36 posted on 07/04/2012 4:30:01 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying then or now!)
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To: tsowellfan

why is this important to Roberts


37 posted on 07/04/2012 4:33:15 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: NTHockey

I live in California. I’m pretty sure that fervent please laid down in letters to Dianne Feinstein, Barbara Boxer, and Nancy Pelosi, are not going to achieve the desire effect.

California is a one-party, union-contolled, Democratic Party dominated state.

I have tried repeatedly to seek representation through the ballot box. I know that I have no recourse left to me but the cartridge box.

The cartridge box is unpalatable to 99% of us here, as we all have too much to lose. By which I mean, are you prepared to see your wife possibly raped by armed opponents, and are you willing to see your children starved or dragged off to re-education camps.

We have too much to lose today for the cartridge box to be employed, and so we are going to be dragged kicking and screaming into socialist totalitarian oppression by our fellow voters.

The way I think of this is you have 10 people in a lifeboat, with 4 bailing out water that comes in from the waves, and 5 shooting holes in the bottom of the boat, while the remaining party refuses to do a thing.

That is the USA. There is no place to go. I go down with the ship. But the problem is, we conservatives, and middle class taxpayers, and responsible job-holding consumers, are doing all we can to uphold our Constitutional Republic We are the 4 in the lifeboat.

The 5 in the lifeboat are the parasites and leeches, the financial industry, the government sector, the industrial complex, the socialists, the communists, the discovered Hollyweird starlets, the Microsoft Millionaires.

They are the 5 shooting holes in the bottom of the boat and we don’t have numbers to either bail faster, and we certainly don’t have either the courage or the means to holster their weapons or break their trigger fingers — whatever it takes to get them to stop shooting holes in the bottom of the boat.

That is why my most realistic hope is to fight a rear-guard delaying action against socialist totalitarian oppression. It is coming. It is obvious it is coming. So lets work hard and slow it down.

The people who think we can REVERSE socialism and restore liberty are delusional in my humble opinion. I mean it sincerely and I don’t mean to insult anyone.

For those who believe that liberty can be restored to a nation in the long process of societal collapse, I would bet those people to cite me one example of one nation at any time on the face of the earth that went from relative oppression to relative freedom, without first going through absolute dictatorial tyranny.

The sequence of events as laid out by Tyler strikes me as completely accurate when you look through the past 2000+ years of recorded history, which as you know goes like this:

From bondage to spiritual faith;

From spiritual faith to great courage;

From courage to liberty;

From liberty to abundance;

From abundance to complacency;

From complacency to apathy;

From apathy to dependence;

From dependency back into bondage.”

We have rounded apathy and our racing toward dependency. There has never been a nation on earth that hit the brakes and backed it up form apathy to liberty, without first bottoming out into bondage, and then going through the spiritual faith.

I will grant you that we could “theoretically” back up if we had sufficient spiritual faith. I will leave it to you to decide if after 50 million on-demand abortions, with gay marriage set to become law of the land, and with such wholesale irresponsible, selfishness by so many in this nation, as to the current state of spiritual faith.


38 posted on 07/04/2012 4:33:20 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: The Cajun; eCSMaster
Some secret that would remove him from his position...My honest opinion is that Roberts... is being blackmailed by the Rats.

It's much more simple.

Just imagine that 6 days ago, the Court had voted 5-4 to overturn PPACA in its entirety.

What would had happened to Roberts and his family by now, just 6 days later? You know as well as I do what an avalanche would have rolled down on his head.

And would we have gone out to crack skulls in the howling mob outside of his house? Not bloody likely.

He changed because he's a coward, and not fit for his position.

But the "larger truth", as the commies like to say, is that the Left knows how to wield power and the Right is unwilling or unable to counter them effectively.

39 posted on 07/04/2012 4:42:03 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Anna Wintour makes Teresa Heinz Kerry look like Dolly Parton.)
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To: STARWISE
Robert's twisted logic in upholding the penalty as a tax sinks of coercion.

Kinda reminds me of POW photos North Vietnam published that showed a group of smiling POW's where several of the POW's were giving the finger to the camera.

While NV paraded this as proof of their humane treatment, some POW's figured out a subtle way to show otherwise as the NV had no idea what that gesture was.

Was Robert's written decision a way of giving the finger to the administration?

40 posted on 07/04/2012 4:51:45 AM PDT by sonofagun (Some think my cynicism grows with age. I like to think of it as wisdom!)
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