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Posted on 07/04/2012 7:30:37 AM PDT by tedbel
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You should Google both ‘Aztlan’ and ‘La Voz de Aztlan’ and find out just what the Mexican colonists have in mind for the US Southwest.
“Clearly, you havent been paying attention. At all”
Okay, to what? Post a source.
This is a thread about Israeli/Palestinian demographics. If you want to talk about Mexican/US demographics, post an article.
6 names called and one insult in one post, that might be a record for you.
Take you insulting hatred some where else.
This forum is for spirited but polite conversation. The goal is to enlighten each other or accept the thoughts of others without threat or intimidation.
You brought it up in post #28 and I was just responding. If you do not want to have sidebar discussions then don’t start one or participate in one. But trying to shut down a sidebar when it doesn’t go the way you wanted it to is rather trite.
I’m not projecting or assuming anything, all I’m saying is that population facts of what has been for 25+ years is likely to continue.
What new social or political forces could change what has happened in Israel for the last 25 years?
I don’t agree with any projection beyond 10 years, they project out 20 and I agree with you that is a stretch.
Your CIA reference states that Israel’s birthrate is lower (2.67) than the West Bank (2.98). ??
Then Israel needs to act quickly to pass some laws that makes it illegal to be a citizen or member of the goverment if you're a Nazi..er, I mean moslem.
“Im not projecting or assuming anything, all Im saying is that population facts of what has been for 25+ years is likely to continue.”
“Likely to continue” is a linear projection. Given changing birthrates, such a projection is likely to be off. It’s a conclusion, in any case, not a fact.
“What new social or political forces could change what has happened in Israel for the last 25 years?”
Immigration rates could go up or down, as could birthrates. They have been, and likely will continue to.
“I dont agree with any projection beyond 10 years, they project out 20 and I agree with you that is a stretch.”
Ten years does seem safe, but the change then seen is modest, not a game-changer. I suspect that 10 years from now, there will be a larger percentage of Arabs, but the Jews will be more religious and conservative. Assuming that the politics of both these groups will be the same, the country would become more polarized.
“Your CIA reference states that Israels birthrate is lower (2.67) than the West Bank (2.98). ??”
I was pointing out that the rates are not far apart anymore. In 1990, the West Bank birthrate reportedly averaged over 6 per mother. It’s dropped by more than 50% in 20 years. It behooves one to ask why, and whether that trend is going to continue.
Right now Israel is focused on external instability, building fences and hardening themselves. I agree on the increased polarization, it’s coming.
The current stalemate on resolving borders we be broken if Israel waits long enough and change comes from within by an increasing Moslem %.
I remember posting several years ago and there were only 8 Knesset Muslim members and now there are 13.
Birth rates almost always drop with improved health care. Families figure out that when the kids are all living to 18, we don’t need to have more than 3-4.
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The fact that the Jewish people are back in the land they were promised after 2500 years of worldwide dispersion is ironclad proof that God intends to keep His promise to His people and has already begun to do so.
They do not yet have everything they were promised, but they will, and there is nothing anyone can do to stop that from happening.
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When Everything’s Been Said
Gantalftb: “One state: Israel annexes Palestine and makes its residents citizens of Israel, free to vote and have the power of self-determination within their own country. Oops! That would make Israeli Jews a minority in their own country.”
As in right away? Right now?
Gandalftb both here and there: “The Muslim death rate is dropping quickly due to improved nutrition and health care, dropping more than the Jewish death rate as Jews have generally always had a healthier lifestyle and great access to health care. That will put the Muslims even farther ahead.”
As in some day. And if Muslim population growth is partially predicated on the fact that the elderly Muslims are living longer despite a drop in the birth rate, that bodes even worse for long-term Muslim population growth. Old people do not make more babies. Babies grow up and do. So if Muslim birth rates are dropping, then Jews are winning the population race, no matter how much longer improved health care helps the geezers hang on.
“Says whom? Post a source backing up your demographics, I did: Israels own Census Bureau.”
Aside: Part of the day, I speak a language other than English, usually Hebrew, sometimes Yiddish or half-remembered Arabic, but even I still remember that “who” is nominative, and “whom” is genitive-accusative.
But getting to your request for a source:
Report: Israel’s Jewish Births Up 20%
“The findings, from the Interior Ministrys Population and Immigration Authority, offset widespread concerns that Israels 80 percent Jewish majority is threatened by population growth among Israeli Arabs - and residents of Palestinian Authority administered enclaves in Judea and Samaria. .
In 2001, 69 percent of births were Jewish, 28 percent Muslim and 1.9 percent Christian. By contrast, in 2010 the respective birth figures for the ethnic groups were 76 percent, 22 percent and 1.3 percent.
Israeli Arabs tend to have large families, but this has changed along with the sectors economic elevation into the middle class. A growing number of religious Jews, meanwhile, has perpetuated higher Jewish fertility.
Analysts note the long-term implication of such a trend is an overwhelmingly Jewish future in Israel as the decades progress.
Such projections run counter to the long-held dogmas of Israel’s left that date back to the Mapai government of Prime Minister Levi Eshkol, which argued at the end of the 1967 Six Day War that annexing Judea and Samaria would be demographic suicide for the Jewish state.”
Or if you think A7 is too biased, let’s look at something more “respectable”:
The Politics of Palestinian Demography, Yaakov Faitelson, Middle East Quarterly
“On February 9, 2008, Luay Shabaneh, the new president of the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics (PCBS), published the results of a December 2007 Palestinian Authority population census. According to the new data, since 1997, the Arab population has increased to 1,460,000 in the Gaza Strip and 2,300,000 in the West Bank (including 208,000 in East Jerusalem) to a total of 3,760,000 peoplean increase of 30 percent in one decade. East Jerusalem is under Israel’s administration, but the Palestinian Authority nevertheless counts its Arab population as part of the territory it administers. Thus, the East Jerusalem Arabs are double-counted: once as part of the Arab population of Israel, and again as a part of the population of the Palestinian Authority.
The 30 percent population increase again caused renewed demographic panic in Israel. According to a BBC news report, Israeli prime minister Ehud Olmert said that failure to negotiate a two-state solution with the Palestinians would bring the end of the State of Israel.
But unlike what had happened during previous demographic panics, Israeli experts began to raise serious questions about the accuracy of the census. Such questions had been a long time in coming: Most of the middle- and long-term demographic forecasts for Israel, the West Bank, and the Gaza Stripformulated by demographers over the last 110 yearshave turned out to be unsound, often dramatically so. This is due to the fact that long-term military, political, economic, and social changes in the region particularly, and in the world in general, cannot be accurately predicted; what is presented with a patina of scientific legitimacy is often simply someone’s best guess. Added to this problem is a more troublesome one: Population statistics and birth rates play such an important role in the Israeli-Palestinian conflictfrom the way that foreign aid is allocated to Israel’s decision to hold or relinquish territorythat those attempting to manipulate the perceptions of both the public and policymakers are irresistibly drawn to the field.
Those who questioned the new Palestinian census were correct: The Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics’ demographic data arrived at its data not through objective scientific inquiry but rather by overstating the size of the Arab population residing in the territories administered by the Palestinian Authority.”
Or if you like the informality of a blog, you can try Toni at Bearcreek Ledger:
Fallacy of Palestinian Authority Population Statistics
“I and a growing number of Americans are tired of being a punching bag for nut-case jihadists because they see Israel hiding behind us.”
Do you really believe that if only America turned on Israel, the nut-case jihadists would suddenly be OK with America? You are a punching bag because you are neither a Muslim nor an abject, groveling dhimmi. Throwing Israel to the wolves would only be the first installment towards proving you are a good little dhimmi. After that, you would no longer be a punching bag, but a shooting target. Go throw your neighbors to the crocodiles. They might eat you last, but sooner or later they will eat you. I can see why Yehuda has been unable/unwilling to control his invective.
But you like sources. So rather than joining Yehuda in damning you, I’ll give you the keys to the candy shop when it comes to nut-case Jihadists:
Go on in. Look at whatever you want. Let me know when the scales drop from your eyes.