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1 posted on 07/04/2012 1:39:17 PM PDT by NoLibZone
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Tell Rock to read this book and learn a little about slavery:

Islam’s Black Slaves: A History of Africa’s Other Black Diaspora
Ronald Segal
241pp, Atlantic Books, £20

At a time when the United States, crusading Christianity’s last outpost, is again mounting its mangy charger, along comes another book documenting a dark, half-forgotten and deeply unsavoury aspect of Islam. Until Ronald Segal, author of the excellent and similarly panoramic survey of the Atlantic slave trade, The Black Diaspora, began to pick at the scars Arab raiders and their black African outriders left on large parts of the continent over 14 centuries, this had been one of the great untold stories.

You can find the descendants of Islam’s black slaves even now, in places as diverse and surreal as suburban Greece, the badlands of Iran, southern Iraq, or in the paddy fields that still run up to the back doors of the hotels of tourist Turkey - and everywhere they share the same look of confusion and abandonment of those left on the high-water mark of retreating emirates and empires.

Unlike the millions of west Africans who were crammed on to coffin ships bound for plantations in the Americas, those dragged through the Sahara or down to the Indian ocean at Zanzibar were mostly women. Zanzibar was a black Belsen, a clearing house of shackled humanity, where the stench of death was masked by the cloves on which the island’s Omani emirs built a great trading empire.

Without a nascent industrial complex to feed, many of the men were castrated for domestic service or drafted into slave armies that emptied the lands around the great lakes of their peoples. One in 10, by some estimates, survived the trek from the interior. By the mid-19th century, when east African slave magnates - many of them the free sons of Arab slavers and their black concubines - ran out of infidels and animists to enslave, they, and the expanding black Islamic empires that supplied them, circumvented the scruples set out in the Koran and carried off their own on the flimsiest of criminal pretexts.

Slaves were the luxury goods the Islamic world seemed unable to wean itself off, despite hectoring from a self-righteous west that had embraced emancipation just as mechanisation had rendered slavery obsolete. Like horses and gold, slaves conferred status, and the most opulent households had thousands. When he died in 1870, one Arab official of the black state of Bornu on the shores of Lake Chad had several thousand slaves to complement his stable of 1,000 stallions.

Despite the unconscionable cruelty of a practice that continues to this day in Mauritania - where a third of the population may still be in bonds - and to some extent lingers in Sudan also, there is little in this book to feed the new mood of Islamophobia. For if slaves were to have had the luxury of choice between the sugar cane plantations of the West Indies or domestic service in Arabia or Istanbul - which, let’s be clear, they didn’t - a Muslim master was more often the lesser of the two evils.
It was common custom for slaves to be freed, and in the Ottoman empire in particular, where slaves often held the great offices of state, several sultans were the sons of women brought to the Topkapi’s multinational harem in chains. In fact, the Ottomans preferred to sire their heirs from among their slaves and subject peoples, lest rival Turkic houses get a sniff of power through dynastic marriage. Being a slave of the Sultan was not a stigma, but a position so exalted, if often tenuous (strangulation by bow string awaited the uppity), that many free- and high-born Muslims offered their sons.

The chief black eunuch - there were plenty of white ones, too, from the Balkans and the Caucasus - was a key figure in the imperial household, at times so powerful that his role was indistinguishable from that of chancellor of the exchequer. Which is all very exotic and makes for great yarns, but Segal is always careful to rein himself back from orientalist flights of fancy. For every black eunuch held in profound respect by the Turks, a thousand more were thrown, bleeding and mutilated, to the tides of Zanzibar.
There is much to be angry about in this book - and not just in the actions of the Arab and sub-Saharan slavers, but in the Islamic scholars today who seek to wish away or deny altogether the existence of this other black diaspora. Yet there is no anger in Segal’s dry, though never dull, writing: just a hard, underlying core of conviction. Segal was a banned person in South Africa, and left for exile in London with Oliver Tambo in 1960. He is also a white man with Jewish roots, which makes him doubly suspect for many black Muslims in the US, to whom this book, you feel, is about as welcome as a Klezmer band at Eid.

Segal is clearly writing with one eye cast back worriedly towards the US, which is a pity. He devotes the closing chapter to a condensed history of the Nation of Islam, and its varying attempts to meld some kind of à la carte Islam to the black American experience. It is an obvious and probably inevitable epilogue. But America is not the world, although it fools the best of us at times.
It seems churlish to nit-pick, but for all its great strengths, the travelling for this book has mainly been done in libraries. We don’t meet a single living being. Segal’s great achievement has been to open up a difficult and neglected subject. His book is a Russian doll, with many other books inside it; those stories, the stories of the descendants of the Islamic slave diaspora, await their tellers.


100 posted on 07/04/2012 3:45:27 PM PDT by Titus-Maximus (Light from Light)
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To: NoLibZone

Chris.....Happy Belated “Juneteenth”.


101 posted on 07/04/2012 3:52:08 PM PDT by A_Tradition_Continues (formerly known as Politicalwit ...05/28/98 Class of '98)
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Crispus Attucks (RIP) must be rolling over in his grave.


102 posted on 07/04/2012 4:10:05 PM PDT by Paradox (I want Obama defeated. Period.)
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To: NoLibZone

Well gee, thanks Chris.

Now shut-up and shine my shoes!


If this is what he wants, then this he can have.
If he’s really that bothered, Liberia awaits his arrival.
But there will be no band playing to greet him, and no special concessions made for him there.


103 posted on 07/04/2012 4:12:56 PM PDT by Loyal Sedition
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To: NoLibZone

What an idiot.

We got a hoodie in the Whitey House, what more could he ask for?


104 posted on 07/04/2012 4:17:50 PM PDT by djf ("There are more old drunkards than old doctors." - Benjamin Franklin)
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Well then, to the feral Blacks out there that live from sucking off of normal peoples hind tit.............. Happy Dependence Day.


107 posted on 07/04/2012 4:38:54 PM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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Who freed the blacks, Chris? The Indians? Your fellow Africans? Or was it the Chinese?

Oh yeah, that’s right, it was those white people you love to hate.


108 posted on 07/04/2012 4:59:34 PM PDT by Boogieman
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HEY, all your Mitt/Mormons-Haters, chew on this:

Who does the RACIST, BIGOTED, HATE-WHITEY, DEGENERATE, Chris Rock support?

And who is the Fascist, Neo-Commie, Dear Leader's favorite "Afro-American" commedian?

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I'm sure y'all can come up with a similar example re: Romney?

113 posted on 07/04/2012 5:41:26 PM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet
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Poor Chris. He’s had such a rough life, and has never been able to succeed in this country as a down-trodden black person. Oh; wait. He DOESN’T have a rough life. He DID succeed in this country.

Maybe he should thank the Republicans who pushed and passed the Civil Rights Amendment.

Asshole. (I don’t mean that in a BAD way.)


115 posted on 07/04/2012 6:03:50 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Please, God, when I wake up tomorrow, can Joe Biden be President?)
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To: NoLibZone; Berlin_Freeper; Hotlanta Mike; Silentgypsy; repubmom; HANG THE EXPENSE; Nepeta; ...


So why was Chris Rock such a big supporter of 0bama, who had so many immigrant ancestors here in this country long before 1776? Who's he kidding? Chris Rock doesn't have any ancestors that were already here 236 years ago?

btw Chris, your buddy Barry's family owned slaves. He has no known black relatives in his family tree that were ever slaves.

Just a few of 0bama's immigrant ancestors:
Richard SINGLETARY 
Humility DUNHAM
Thomas BLOOMFIELD
Mary WITHERS 
John ROLPH 
Mary SCULLIARD 
John SMITH 
Susannah HINCKLEY 
Anthony PIERCE 
Daniel SHED 
Edward FITZRANDOLPH
Elizabeth BLOSSOM 
Christian GOODNIGHT 
Maria Magdalena GRÜNHOLTZ 
Johann Pieter STRAUB 
John WOODSON 
Sarah WINSTON
Richard FERRIS 
Johan Philip AMENT 
Jacob Matthias LAMBERT 
James LANDRUM 
Nicholas WREN 
Margaret BELL 
William COLLINS 
Robert LEWIS 
John WALKER 
Richard CROSHAW 
William BALDRIDGE 
Sampson LLOYD 
Elizabeth Ann GOOD
Jean DEMAREST 
Jacomina DE RUYNE 
Michael Jansen VREELAND 
Fytje Hartmans WESSELS 
Henry Chichley THACKER 
Edwin CONWAY 
Martha ELTONHEAD 
William TERRELL 
Susannah WATERS 
Mareen DUVALL 
Benoit BRASSEUR 
Marie RICHFORD 
John JACOB 
Richard CHENEY 
Charity WOOD 
Robert PERRY 
Richard HOSKINS 
Edward TEAGUE 
Leonard LOFTIN 
Solomon ALLRED 
Richard HUDSON

117 posted on 07/04/2012 6:13:25 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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Chris has no idea what those happy white people sacrificed to become free. If he has any problems with America as it is today hundreds of thousands of happy white people died in part to make blacks free, so he is reminded he’s free to go back to the motherland anytime.


120 posted on 07/04/2012 6:33:14 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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Regiments in the American Revolution were integrated, something which did not happen again until the post-WWII era.

Colored soldiers represented as many as 1 in 5 members (20%) of the Continental Army at various points during the Revolution.

Chris Rock doesn't have the slightest notion of what he's saying. His ignorance is both laughable and shameful.

123 posted on 07/04/2012 6:50:35 PM PDT by sargon (I don't like the sound of these "boncentration bamps")
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Yes, his statement may be true but everyone knows what he has been, what he is and what he will ever be. Polite people usually do not use the term-in public.


124 posted on 07/04/2012 7:14:56 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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He really doesn’t know or care that the Constitution has wording specifically to affect the abolition of slavery. What an ass.


125 posted on 07/04/2012 7:29:33 PM PDT by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/ - via iPhone from Tokyo.)
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Since Rock said that, and he won’t be called a racist, I suppose I can now say that I feel the same way he does everyday during the entire month of February and I won’t be called a racist.


128 posted on 07/04/2012 7:44:15 PM PDT by waus (FUBO UFCMF, Just in case I stuttered, FUBO)
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If he believes this, why does he support someone of slave owning ancestry? Yes, Chris, it's far more likely Obama’s family owned your ancestors than it is mine did.
When I hear dumb a$$ blacks say things as stupid as what Chris said, I understand why they think whites hate them. Why wouldn't any thinking person dislike those who would say things like this about people who have helped them live wonderful lives. There's no way Rock could have achieved his success without whites giving him their hard earned money. Same with all those black ball players who back Obama. If you look in the stands you see far more white faces than black. Conservatives who watch may as well write Obama a check for his campaign.
132 posted on 07/04/2012 10:36:27 PM PDT by Razz Barry (Round'em up, send'em home.)
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