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The Most Sensible Tax of All (Massive Carbon Tax Set for Zero's 2nd Term)
New York Slimes ^ | 7/4/2012 | YORAM BAUMAN and SHI-LING HSU

Posted on 07/05/2012 10:10:16 AM PDT by mojito

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To: wac3rd

The other author, Ms. Hsu, is apparently of Chinese extraction. Not that I wish to appear bigoted against Chinese, but I wonder why Ms. Hsu is not writing glowingly of a carbon tax being imposed in Peking...


21 posted on 07/05/2012 11:47:43 AM PDT by henkster (Why should I care? Why should I care?)
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To: mojito

They’re going to outlaw wood burning fire places, and the burning of wood for any reason what so ever. They’ll tax you for emission and you can’t fuel your home, heat your water or cook your food. You will have to depend on the government supplied energy if you want to survive.

They won’t stop until we are batteries in their machine.


22 posted on 07/05/2012 12:53:37 PM PDT by panzerkamphwageneinz
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To: mojito
Why AZ SB1070 in full should be implemented nation wide.
23 posted on 07/05/2012 1:33:12 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Carry_Okie

I was referring to our provincial government — Harper is federal. I should have made that more clear.

“How do they collect a carbon tax from people who heat their homes with wood? “

They don’t, nor should they. Firewood isn’t a fossil fuel — new trees take the CO2 out of the atmosphere, as quickly as old ones are burned up.

Electricity mostly escapes the carbon tax here; on the basis that it’s mostly hydro generated. That wouldn’t be the case in most places.

You are right about the ease of collecting the tax — it’s much cheaper to administer than a cap and trade scheme would be.


24 posted on 07/05/2012 2:24:21 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: mojito
a revenue-neutral tax swap

LMBO!!!
Is that anything like a "temporary" tax?

25 posted on 07/05/2012 2:27:46 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
This particular carbon tax is the least bad, because it does the least to distort the market; and because the revenues are used to reduce other taxes.

???

You do realize that every last penny of "carbon taxes" is ultimately passed on to consumers to pay, through higher energy costs and higher prices for goods that require energy to produce and put on the shelves (ie., everything)?

26 posted on 07/05/2012 2:31:45 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: mojito

What’s Up With That ran an article the other day saying our CO2 emissions are close to 1990 levels all because of the cheap availability of natural gas and power companies switching to it from coal.


27 posted on 07/05/2012 2:35:02 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: mojito

It mattereth not how SENSIBLE it is; taxes MUST be raised SOMEWHERE to pay the damned BILLS we’ve run up!

Either that or vastly devalue our money; which you are seeing every time you go to buy something.


28 posted on 07/05/2012 3:05:02 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: GraceG

Volt Tax:

You’re finally getting it!


29 posted on 07/05/2012 3:07:00 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
I was referring to our provincial government — Harper is federal. I should have made that more clear.

I knew that, but there is a coat-tail effect when the party in charge of the national government is looking better that helps local government from the same party. With Harper doing as well as he is and Obama such a disaster in the US, I was wondering what was the attraction of a leftist government in BC.

They don’t, nor should they. Firewood isn’t a fossil fuel —

Unlike coal, nether is oil and gas. They are mineral fuels formed from methane left over from the planet's formation remaining in solution with the earth's mantle then polymerized by bacteria deep in the crustal layer.

30 posted on 07/05/2012 4:35:33 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: mojito
ON Sunday, the best climate policy in the world got even better: British Columbia’s carbon tax — a tax on the carbon content of all fossil fuels burned in the province — increased from $25 to $30 per metric ton of carbon dioxide, making it more expensive to pollute.

That's awesome, except carbon dioxide is not pollution.

31 posted on 07/05/2012 4:57:43 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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The enumeration of Orwellian double speaks in this plausible plagiary of 1984 dwarfs an operating system’s capacity to process very large integers.


32 posted on 07/05/2012 6:32:38 PM PDT by skeama (On what day did God create Barack Obama, and couldn't He have rested on that day.)
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To: Lancey Howard

“You do realize that every last penny ....”

Yes, and that’s why I called the carbon tax a “least bad” policy, rather than a “good” one. I also said that it would be just plain “bad”, if the revenues are earmarked for wasteful “green energy” projects, rather than being used to offset other taxes.

It’s hard to pick the “worst” policies — but, I’d probably start with government subsidies and mandates to induce the burning of food for fuel (e.g. corn ethanol). The CAFE would be high up there. CAFE will create all sorts of distortions and inefficiencies in the auto industry — all of which will be passed on to consumers (particularly those who need larger vehicles). Shutting down coal plants, the oil sands, pipelines, etc. are all very bad policies, when measured against costs to the consumer. And on, and on ....


33 posted on 07/06/2012 9:24:11 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Carry_Okie

“I was wondering what was the attraction of a leftist government in BC.”

So are a lot of us here.

“Unlike coal, nether is oil and gas. They are mineral fuels formed from methane left ....”

I’m coming around to accepting that theory, at least with regard to natural gas. It makes “peak oil” look very premature.


34 posted on 07/06/2012 9:29:49 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
rather than being used to offset other taxes.

As I alluded in my original post with the reference to "temporary" taxes, this lying horse manure about "offsetting other taxes" is a laughable eye-roller. Genuine "offsets" never happens and never will. With scumbag big government and politicians, it's ALWAYS about grabbing MORE money. Any new tax (in this case a "carbon tax") is strictly a politician money grab. The taxes that are "offset" WILL go back up, and (surprise, surprise) so will the "carbon tax". It is all a cynical con job.

This "carbon tax" is not "the least bad" - - it is a duplicitous abomination designed to facilitate massive additional confiscation from society's producers. There is no shrugging this off and surrendering with the conclusion that, "well, it could be worse", and this nightmarish new tax is, "the least bad", anymore than you would prefer pancreatic cancer to lung cancer.

Good luck up there, eh.

FRegards,
LH

35 posted on 07/06/2012 10:47:41 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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