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Push to ban gay marriage flagging in Iowa
FOX News ^ | July 5 2012 | Associated Press

Posted on 07/05/2012 4:07:51 PM PDT by scottjewell

DES MOINES, Iowa – Ever since gay couples began flocking to Iowa to marry three years ago, conservative Republicans have been looking forward to amassing enough political power to put an end to it. But now that the opportunity is finally approaching, their goal may be slipping out of reach.

Conservative lawmakers are watching public opinion move away from them on the gay marriage issue, and now fear that voters might not approve a ban even if the GOP can put one on the ballot by winning control of the Legislature in the November elections.

The shifting views come as a bitter disappointment for the state's prominent Christian conservative community which has long bridled at Iowa's status as a gay rights haven in the heartland — the only place outside the Northeast where gays can marry.

"People are getting comfortable with it and that's a shame to tell you the truth," said Susan Geddes, an Iowa Republican and social conservative organizer who worked for Mike Huckabee's 2008 presidential campaign in the state.

Even Republicans seem to be more accepting, said Julie Summa marketing director for The Family Leader, a social conservative advocacy group. She and other evangelical leaders attribute the change to libertarian Republicans, like supporters Texas Rep. Ron Paul, who oppose restrictions on personal freedoms.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; samesexmarriage
Capitulation only leads to more softness and mush culture.
1 posted on 07/05/2012 4:07:55 PM PDT by scottjewell
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To: scottjewell

But still, you shouldn’t flog them.


2 posted on 07/05/2012 4:13:26 PM PDT by kenavi (Obama doesn't hate private equity. He wants to be it with our money.)
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To: scottjewell

“who oppose restrictions on personal freedoms.”

forcing the courts and society as a whole to recognize your sodomy based relationship and give you particular rights due to it is not a “personal freedom.”


3 posted on 07/05/2012 4:18:20 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: scottjewell

How much longer do we have to wait for the “we are all gay now” Time cover and story? Come on there witless window lickers out there that need indoctrinating don’t you know.


4 posted on 07/05/2012 4:19:45 PM PDT by Kudsman
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Whoops forgot my are there matey!
5 posted on 07/05/2012 4:21:33 PM PDT by Kudsman
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To: Persevero

Unfortunately Libertarians do not view it this way, and would legalize drugs and many vices. They are simply about freedom and money, and have had a huge influence on the GOP as well as the NeoCons.

Social conservatism is now viewed more as the backward stance of a Huckabee or a Santorum. I think many conservative youth are going for the Ron Paul brand in which social conservatism goes the way of the dinosaur. Something must be done to re-energize social conservatism.


6 posted on 07/05/2012 4:22:09 PM PDT by scottjewell
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To: scottjewell

Something must be done to re-energize social conservatism.


Romans 1
24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25 For they exchanged the truth of God for [p]a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed [q]forever. Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is [r]unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing [s]indecent acts and receiving in [t]their own persons the due penalty of their error.

28 And just as they did not see fit [u]to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, 30 slanderers, [v] haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; 32 and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.


7 posted on 07/05/2012 4:37:45 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness)
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To: scottjewell

Conservative/libertarian youth are almost as bad as liberal tree-hugger youth.

All our college conservatives want is the right to sleep around promiscuously without feeling guilty. Being against gay marriage would remind them that there are standards of sexual morality in this world. It would make them think too much about God. Can’t have that.


8 posted on 07/05/2012 4:38:32 PM PDT by heye2monn
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To: scottjewell

Most neocons were not fans of gay marriage. Many simply capitulated due to polling. The folks at First Things have not.


9 posted on 07/05/2012 4:39:57 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: scottjewell

Most neocons were not fans of gay marriage. Many simply capitulated due to polling. The folks at First Things have not.


10 posted on 07/05/2012 4:40:22 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: heye2monn

“All our college conservatives want is the right to sleep around promiscuously without feeling guilty. Being against gay marriage would remind them that there are standards of sexual morality in this world. It would make them think too much about God. Can’t have that.”

You said it, brother.


11 posted on 07/05/2012 5:03:22 PM PDT by scottjewell
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To: scottjewell

Of the two hot button issues, abortion and gay marriage, I think at the end the score will be 1:1. The public acceptance of gay marriage (because of liberal pushes on TV, public school, etc. that uses ‘love between two consulting adults’ s main argument) will increase while acceptance of abortion will decrease—partly because of the MRI technology that allows parents to see their baby inside the womb.


12 posted on 07/05/2012 5:05:22 PM PDT by paudio (OTP: Why do people want to rehire a mechanic who clearly only made their car worse than before?)
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To: rmlew

True. Quite true, and to their credit (those who adhere to first things)


13 posted on 07/05/2012 5:07:17 PM PDT by scottjewell
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To: scottjewell

Of the two hot button issues, abortion and gay marriage, I think at the end the score will be 1:1. The public acceptance of gay marriage (because of liberal pushes on TV, public school, etc. that uses ‘love between two consulting adults’ as its main argument) will increase, while acceptance of abortion will decrease—partly because of the MRI technology that allows parents to see their baby inside the womb.


14 posted on 07/05/2012 5:10:25 PM PDT by paudio (OTP: Why do people want to rehire a mechanic who clearly only made their car worse than before?)
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To: Linda Frances

Yes, there is an apostasy and a falling away. But for those young people who really wish they did not have to be a part of that, but feel swept away by it at college, I wish there might be a youth conservatism for them based on first things.


15 posted on 07/05/2012 5:13:46 PM PDT by scottjewell
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To: paudio

Agreed. And live people can repent. The innocent dead stay dead.


16 posted on 07/05/2012 5:14:00 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: scottjewell

We already voted on this once. The people of Iowa are against gay marriage.

Judges legislating from the bench overturned the citizens vote. We promptly fired 3 out of 6 because they came up for re-election.

What the hell does it take for the citizens in this country to be represented?


17 posted on 07/05/2012 5:15:57 PM PDT by 2111USMC (Not a hard man to track. Leaves dead men wherever he goes.)
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To: paudio

Yes. But as both are issues which bespeak the same revolt against principles, it is not good for the one to increase and the other to decrease. Both should decrease. They are sides of the same coin.


18 posted on 07/05/2012 5:17:49 PM PDT by scottjewell
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To: 2111USMC

I dont get where this stuff comes from. i have not seen any “flagging” where I live...people are still pissed about that whole thing, as evidenced in the 2010 elections with the ISC.


19 posted on 07/05/2012 5:19:20 PM PDT by QualityMan (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: scottjewell

This AP story is Total BS. Journ-o-lists were saying the same thing in NC before gay marriage lost in an epic landslide.


20 posted on 07/05/2012 5:20:40 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: WashingtonSource

WashingtonSource, I hope you and 2111USMC are right. Maybe this is media hype, put out there on purpose to make those who oppose gay marriage feel like giving up. By presenting it as “a losing issue for conservatives” they may be hoping to get the GOP to go totally pro-same sex marriage. Yes, North Carolina told quite a different tale. Time will tell...


21 posted on 07/05/2012 5:23:58 PM PDT by scottjewell
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IL Att. Gen. is not going to defend the constitution which says marriage is between man and woman in a lawsuit that is pending. It was announced that a couple of attorneys have ask permission to defend & they will be allowed to do so. Now tell me why we even have Lisa Madigan on the payroll?

Cook County State’s Attorney Anita Alvarez and Attorney General Lisa Madigan refused to defend it.

http://effinghamdailynews.com/local/x1501699827/Effingham-County-clerk-gets-OK-to-defend-gay-marriage-ban


22 posted on 07/05/2012 5:33:24 PM PDT by GrannyK
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To: GrannyK

Yes, the DA and state’s attorney thought they were doing some heroic and noble thing by not upholding the law of the state. I believe it is 2 county clerks backed by an attorney who contested this, and received permission to uphold the law. Time will tell where this all lands.


23 posted on 07/05/2012 5:39:10 PM PDT by scottjewell
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To: scottjewell
Conservative lawmakers are watching public opinion move away from them on the gay marriage issue

What does public opinion matter? It has never mattered to the sodomy-promoters. What's wrong (and disgusting and improbable) is wrong. This is a matter of self-defense for us as a society and as individuals with children and grandchildren. Banish it and destroy those who try to spread it—whatever way works.

24 posted on 07/05/2012 5:42:42 PM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: scottjewell
"forcing the courts and society as a whole to recognize your sodomy based relationship and give you particular rights due to it is not a “personal freedom.” "

Unfortunately Libertarians do not view it this way, and would legalize drugs and many vices.


Regardless of how you feel about these issues one way or the other, the push for forced acceptance of homosexuality and the legalization of drugs are two entirely separate things, in two entirely different categories, and should not be mixed together.

For example, no one is trying to outlaw homosexual acts - not even the most socially conservative far "right wing" religious people are doing that. They are merely trying to resist the forced acceptance of those acts by the government. Everyone should understand by now that the push for gay marriage is not for "equality", but so that no business and no organization, including churches, can legally disapprove of homosexual behavior. Everyone, by law, will be forced to accept it as "normal".

With drugs, however, it is the very act of personal use of drugs that people want to be kept illegal, so that a guy sitting in his own house still can't legally fire up a joint before he goes to bed. That is an attempt to outlaw a specific behavior.

It may seem like a trifling difference between the two, but it is actually a fundamental difference which says what role we believe is appropriate for government. In the first case, it is the government trying to force a behavior (acceptance of homosexuality), and in the second, it is government trying to forbid a behavior (illegal drug use).

The distinction is also important because pro-gay people like to deliberately confuse the gay marriage issue by saying that "people should be allowed to love whomever they want" when, in reality, people have been able to love whomever they want since the dawn of time, and even homos can love who they want even without gay marriage, but the pro-gay people want to sucker others into thinking that if gay marriage isn't legalized, homos will be thrown in jail for having gay sex, or looking at each other longingly across a table.
25 posted on 07/05/2012 7:56:50 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: Linda Frances

[Romans 1:24-32]

Thanks. You beat me to it. :)


26 posted on 07/06/2012 8:54:47 AM PDT by newgeezer (It is [the people's] right and duty to be at all times armed. --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: scottjewell

Thanks. It is appalling, so many of our supposedly conservative youth growing up unchurched and amoral.


27 posted on 07/06/2012 4:49:18 PM PDT by heye2monn
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