[ShadowAce]

Another thing that is confusing to me is that the Repubs insist on calling this a tax and saying that the Admin is lying. Accept what the Admin is saying and then nullify the law!

That's the easiest way of getting rid of this thing.

[jjotto]

Sure, just ‘nullify’! Er, what’s nullify? Has it been used in the last twenty years? Is ‘nullify’ the good twin of ‘deem it passed’?

[bert]

You have one problem with your argument. It might have been ok before the judgement, but today, it is a tax.

There is no valid argument to the contrary

It is a tax and the law of the land........ period

[txrangerette]

Actually, there’s no mechanism for Congress to as you say, nullify it.

Perhaps you mean repeal it.

You said nullify it without a vote? That’s a dog that won’t hunt. Congress has to vote in order to do something about whatever it might be.

Perhaps you are thinking of the state nullification possibility. States, unlike Congress, could nullify this law by refusing to implement it (and by passing laws in their legislatures followed by governors signing them, saying their state citizens do not have to comply with Obamacare).

There is a very good thread on this based on Rush’s sub, Dr. Walter E Williams, advocating this very thing.

Walter E. Williams: States should nullify Obamacare

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2903330/posts?page=3

As to what to call it, a tax, and on the basis of the Robert’s opinion act against it in whatever way, there I see that as quite murky.

I’m not certain what force of law the Robert’s opinion has. He certainly failed to overturn Obamacare, because he refused to join with the four justices who voted to overturn.

Where I get lost in the weeds is, how can he simply CALL it a tax in his writings, when it didn’t come before him as tax because it was not passed in Congress as a tax...at least everyone behind it screamed it was not a tax.

And how can he as one man get away with claiming it is upheld as a tax even though there’s a law that says tax cases cannot be brought until people are having to pay the tax.

Also, it was my understanding that the libs did not agree with Roberts to call it a tax. They wanted to hold that it stood under the Commerce Clause, not even to mention that it even might be a tax, much less it is one.

I do know they agreed with him not to overturn the law, but they were writing their own views as to why.

What, do we have rule by a one man dictator, John Roberts?

So, states CAN nullify, and they can do so no matter what Roberts wrote or what it means.

Congress can repeal, by voting, but it must pass the Senate which means Reid must go, and a new president must sign the repeal

[IMR 4350]

My thought exactly.

Have a vote. Is it a penalty or a tax.

Repubs should introduce a bill declaring it a penalty not a tax.

Let the dems vote against it or pass it and let Zippo veto it.

[OneWingedShark]

Another thing that is confusing to me is that the Repubs insist on calling this a tax and saying that the Admin is lying. Accept what the Admin is saying and then nullify the law!

That's the easiest way of getting rid of this thing.

You're assuming the republican-party wants to repeal ObamaCare, I'm not so sure this is the case.

I mean look at their track-record on striving for party-planks, things like responsible spending (hey, guess what there hasn't been a budget in years, despite being mandated by law... yet nobody in the party leadership is making a stink about it), government accountability (Fast and Furious; enough said), ending legalized abortion (didn't even so much as propose a resolution when Bush was President and the Republican-party controlled the Legislature), anointing Romney (nothing says "we're different" like tapping someone just the same as the leftist you claim to be against).